Catholics, the Snobs of Christianity?

[Steforian]

I dont mean to offend, but it is true. Catholics seem to have a general mindset that 'their church is the first church' and thats why the Catholic 'sect' is the only correct 'sect' and the only one loved by God. I mean, my apartment is my first apartment, does that mean its the 'best' apartment and loved by God more?

Im sure that if Catholic's learned to get their head out of their then Christianity would be stronger as a whole, there's nothing worse than intolerance of your own religion .

Feel free to discuss your agreements or disagreements and add any relevant info.

[Plant]

The Catholic church is not the first church. Well, they are the most powerful and most organised church which dominated Christian thought for a good 1200 years. Afterall, the other denominations are heretical, and there is only one true doctrine, one true way by their own doctrines.

[C-Rob]

Grr


I am catholic and I look at the Mary and saints garbage and think Luther was right and he should have had as much an affect on future catholic thougth as the council of nicea and Thomas Aquainas' Theologica.

Fundie christain thought is annoying.

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

Grr


I am catholic and I look at the Mary and saints garbage and think Luther was right and he should have had as much an affect on future catholic thougth as the council of nicea and Thomas Aquainas' Theologica.

Fundie christain thought is annoying.

Yeah, as a Protestant, I would look much more favorably on Catholicism if it dropped the Mary/Saint-Worship and celibacy - but if it did that, it would basically be Lutheranism/High Church Anglicanism, only with a pope.

[Himster]

Catholicism is the real church, that's why it's the biggest and most successfull and most helpfull in history.

[RO Citizen]

I must infirm your statement, sir. ORTHODOXISM, and not Catholicism, is the most snob Christian religion. Why? Because:
-"it keeps the single true form of Christianity, the one made by Jesus with his own hand (pun intended). Other forms of Christianity are pure !!!!!"
-have you ever saw an Orthodox monk or priest, really? Compare their costumes with the Catholic ones. Not talking about Bishops or Patriarchs, those are the Lady Gagas (fashion-wise) of all priests.
-taxes, taxes, taxes, and even more taxes, even in 2010. For what? For God, to have wine to drink, of course!!!
-see how richly decorated every Orthodox church is, but still, it has no chairs or ANY confort for the believer, all the richness is for the show or for the priest.

[Steforian]

I must infirm your statement, sir. ORTHODOXISM, and not Catholicism, is the most snob Christian religion. Why? Because:
-"it keeps the single true form of Christianity, the one made by Jesus with his own hand (pun intended). Other forms of Christianity are pure !!!!!"
-have you ever saw an Orthodox monk or priest, really? Compare their costumes with the Catholic ones. Not talking about Bishops or Patriarchs, those are the Lady Gagas (fashion-wise) of all priests.
-taxes, taxes, taxes, and even more taxes, even in 2010. For what? For God, to have wine to drink, of course!!!
-see how richly decorated every Orthodox church is, but still, it has no chairs or ANY confort for the believer, all the richness is for the show or for the priest.

It seems that both Orthodox and Catholic 'sects' consider themselves the first and best. Its basically intolerance, and as long as these two divisions exist then Christianity will continue to have a handicap as a whole.

Btw i see what you mean by excessive taxes.

[Armenum]

I'm sure every sect and religion has that mindset. However when it comes to Christian sects, I must say I favour Protestantism over Catholicism. Protestantism is much more to the point and without all the unnecessary ceremonial things and strict rules.

[Gordon Freynman]

Well if this forum is anything to go by you could call Protestants the snobs of Christianity as well.

Actually, it's probably fair to say that all Christian sects are full of snobs.

[hellheaven1987]

I personally find Deism is much more reasonable... Oh wait, that does not count as Christianity.

[Himster]

Well if this forum is anything to go by you could call Protestants the snobs of Christianity as well.

I'd say they're more arrogant and self-righteous and vain, we catholics recognise where our pretensions of superiority lie.

[basics]

" Actually, it's probably fair to say that all Christian sects are full of snobs. "

Comrade Wiggum,

Just as all non-Christian sects can be full of snobs? But,....If we look at all the Christian sects I think it fair to say that none of their churches are full never mind full of snobs.

[Mikesmith08]

Catholicism and the Orthodox churches are seen as 'snobs' becuase they adhere to age old traditions that many have now abadoned, and in many ways they have the right to laud that over other supposed chrisitians like the chucrh of England who, lets face it, arent all that christian any more.

[Caledonian Rhyfelwyr]

Catholicism and the Orthodox churches are seen as 'snobs' becuase they adhere to age old traditions that many have now abadoned

"Then came to Jesus scribes and pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciplines transgress the traditions of the elders, for they wash not their hands before they eat bread. But he answered and said, why do ye also transgress the commandment of god by your traditions?" (Mat 15:1-3)

[Carpathian Wolf]

Whether or not Constantinople was the center of the Empire or not is irrelevant. Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that you believe the bishop of Rome was less significant than the bishop claimed, and he led some kind of bishop-revolt and broke off from the church. I am saying that the Bishop of Rome became such an authority figure in the west because there was a major power vacume which the western church stepped into. Due to the circumstances of the situation, the Bishop of Rome became THE bishop in the west (especially seeing how there were no truly major christian dioceses west of Rome), resulting in the Papacy. So he was telling other jurisdictions what to do because the near complete absence of power demanded a more structured church to take charge of the situation.

No that's a poor excuse. There is no reason why the Bishop in Rome should be telling the Bishops in the other jurisdictions what to do. Alexandria minds the business of Alexandria, Jerusalem minds Jerusalem etc. If there is a disagreement you have an ecumenical council. The pope isn't god on earth. The Bishop of Rome was simply regarded with the titular name of "First among Equals" which theologically speaking equates to jack squat. Using forged documents, the manipulation of tradition and theology the pope wished to become the ruler of the whole church, instead of what he had been for the first thousand years, simply one of the main five bishops of Christendom.

"Then came to Jesus scribes and pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciplines transgress the traditions of the elders, for they wash not their hands before they eat bread. But he answered and said, why do ye also transgress the commandment of god by your traditions?" (Mat 15:1-3)

Out of context passages and mistranslated bibles are the blood of protestantism.

[Caledonian Rhyfelwyr]

Out of context passages and mistranslated bibles are the blood of protestantism.

Dismissing verses as being out of context without providing any evidence whatsoever seems to be the core of the arguments against Protestantism.

[Stavroforos]

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches were the first Church, that much is historical fact. History and tradition give everyone a sense of snobbery, just look at the British and their warchief shaman or European attitudes towards Americans.

[Copperknickers II]

Catholics form the vast majority of Christians, of course they view minority sects as heretical offshoots, because they failed to gain very much popularity outside their countries of origin.

[Sphere]

To be fair, I don't see how anyone can claim to know the mind of God and be humble at the same time.

[Helm]

To be fair, I don't see how anyone can claim to know the mind of God and be humble at the same time.

They're humble because they think know the mind of God, or something like that.