Abbassid Faris units...

[Dr. Evil]

Could someone point me to the mod developers' source material on these? I'm middle-eastern, and my family name is Faris, and although I knew it meant "fighter" or something similar, I didn't know it was a whole subculture. Thanks!

[ALFAJI]

فارس
means the knight
and btw i'm a middle eastern from kuwait nice knowing m.e people here and we hope to give you the best work in our mod

with my best wishes

ALFAJI

[wudang_clown]

I'm not sure from where guys get the info about faris, but here is what can be found on the Internet:

Saracen Faris 1050-1250
God's warriors: crusaders, saracens and the battle for Jerusalem
Faris: Medieval Muslim Horsemen (there are two sources listed at the end of the paper).

I know there is an entry about faris in Encyclopaedia of Islam, but I don't have it as it is extremely hard to find. You can try in GoogleBooks, though...

[nurhak]

I'm not sure from where guys get the info about faris, but here is what can be found on the Internet:

Saracen Faris 1050-1250
God's warriors: crusaders, saracens and the battle for Jerusalem
Faris: Medieval Muslim Horsemen (there are two sources listed at the end of the paper).

I know there is an entry about faris in Encyclopaedia of Islam, but I don't have it as it is extremely hard to find. You can try in GoogleBooks, though...

awesome find i just read those pages fully

[Shasqua]

If I recall, "Faris" means "horseman".

[sumskilz]

Yeah, Faris means "horseman", but knight is also a good translation since the equivalent to "knight" in most other European languages just means "horseman" or "rider".

[ALFAJI]

Yeah, Faris means "horseman", but knight is also a good translation since the equivalent to "knight" in most other European languages just means "horseman" or "rider".

to be more accurate knight is accurate meaning of faris than horseman and btw

faris in arabic means two meanings

-knight

-Persia

[ALFAJI]

Yeah, Faris means "horseman", but knight is also a good translation since the equivalent to "knight" in most other European languages just means "horseman" or "rider".

rider in arabic is خيال and maybe theres other meanings because the arabs have lots of meanings for these types of words
you can ask about it here
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...18#post8267918

[sumskilz]

riders in arabic is خيال and maybe theres other meanings because the arabs have lots of meanings for these types of words

Yeah makes sense.

I guess the way we think of knight today is the best translation, but knight is almost like ghulam because it originally meant "servant or boy" (though not a slave). It is a cognate of the German word knecht which meant "servant or vassal", but the German word for knight is ritter which means "rider". The origin of other European words that mean knight are also like "horsemen". The Italian and French words for knight (cavaliere and chevalier) both originally meant "horsemen" too.

I think there is also a parallell between furusiyya and chivalry, don't you agree?

[VINC.XXIII]

"Persia", Fars? no? not "faris"
with the gentilice " al-Farsi" as name

"chevalier", Sumsk., all french horsemen wasn't "Chevalier", the word Cavalier is the generic name to translate "Horseman".
Chevalier means a mounted noble. But maybe are you yet french-speaking?

[Eretna Beg]

"Persia", Fars? no? not "faris"
with the gentilice " al-Farsi" as name

to be more accurate knight is accurate meaning of faris than horseman and btw

faris in arabic means two meanings

-knight

-Persia

you mean your Arabic better than Arabs? Alfaji is an Arab and I'm sure his Arabic better than us. also I know Faris means Persian and knight.

[ALFAJI]

"Persia", Fars? no? not "faris"
with the gentilice " al-Farsi" as name

"chevalier", Sumsk., all french horsemen wasn't "Chevalier", the word Cavalier is the generic name to translate "Horseman".
Chevalier means a mounted noble. But maybe are you yet french-speaking?

may be in english its way in retying dont look like each other but if you want it in arabic

بلاد فارس
the land of Persia

الفارس
the knight

الفروسيه
its meaning is close to Equestrian but you can ask nemr here hes better than me in translating words
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...18#post8267918

[sumskilz]

"chevalier", Sumsk., all french horsemen wasn't "Chevalier", the word Cavalier is the generic name to translate "Horseman". Chevalier means a mounted noble.

The word cavalier didn’t exist in French in medieval times. Its first usage was in the 1580s and it comes from the Italian word cavalierre which meant “knight or horsemen”. But the word chevalier dates back to the 12th Century and comes from cheval (horse) as you know.

But maybe are you yet french-speaking?

Ouais, mais l'anglais est ma première langue. My knowledge on the subject comes more from studying etymology and reading historical texts. The historical meaning doesn't always precisely match the modern usage.

[VINC.XXIII]

Faris: knight
Farsi: who come from Fars
I'm not arabic speaking, but I know some words, and never I had seen the word " Faris" for means " Al-Farsi" or the region of Fars
Faris is used in Maghreb as name or adjective, to means that someone is galant or heroic. I think is the same in the entire arabic world...

[ALFAJI]

Faris: knight
Farsi: who come from Fars
I'm not arabic speaking, but I know some words, and never I had seen the word " Faris" for means " Al-Farsi" or the region of Fars
Faris is used in Maghreb as name or adjective, to means that someone is galant or heroic. I think is the same in the entire arabic world...

yes in all the arab lands

[nurhak]

dudes faris isnt farsi

[Blaze86420]

dudes faris isnt farsi

Farsi is the name of the language. Faris is the Arabic name for the region known as Fars. Theres no argument here, this is common knowledge among Arabs.

[wudang_clown]

Farsi is the name of the language. Faris is the Arabic name for the region known as Fars. Theres no argument here, this is common knowledge among Arabs.

Are you an Arab?

Because afaik, "Parsa" -> "Pars" -> "Fars" (arabicized form of "Pars"). Farsi = Parsi is a language, not a region. And that's a common knowledge, too.

[Blaze86420]

Are you an Arab?

Because afaik, "Parsa" -> "Pars" -> "Fars" (arabicized form of "Pars"). Farsi = Parsi is a language, not a region. And that's a common knowledge, too.

I know Arabic, Persia was always referred to as "Bilad Faris". The language is called Farsi in Arabic, and a script widely associated with Farsi also shares the same name.

I would also like to apologize If I sounded rude in my previous post, was never my intention.

[nurhak]

srry i didnt know that faris was a word for the region fars in the arab world