About a new faction...

[Cerrydwen]

Hi,as Britton girl,I always feel pride about my land,it culture and History,and,this is just a suggestion but,can one of the future version present the Britanny as a playable faction?The Brittons are among the best westerns sailors,got strong warriors,got charismatics leaders(Anna of Britanny,John IV the Conqueror,founder of the Order of the Ermine...,)a good piety,a rich history of revolts,sieges,plots,heroic battles(The Fight of the Thirty,1351)and I think a good game of alliances can permiss to gain power and importance.It could make an interesting challenge as little state(at beginning)like Irland,Sicily,Portugal...

[HolyDevil]

i think another european faction is way too much, not to mention that they would take much needed territory...

any faction slot left, should be used somewhere else, like the holy lands to give more of a challenge to fatimids for example, that, even in AI form, expand a lot and easily become a superpower quite early on

[Lord Humungus]

That's right, Europe is way too overcrowded now. I'd even say some factions are excessive, like Norway.
There are huge empty territories at eastern part of map. Adding one more muslim faction is much more important for overall balance.

[Makrell]

That's right, Europe is way too overcrowded now. I'd even say some factions are excessive, like Norway.
There are huge empty territories at eastern part of map. Adding one more muslim faction is much more important for overall balance.

Well i would not cut away Norway as they are a important faction at the time and controlled a lot of land, Lithuania and teutons can rather be thrown away

[Caesar Clivus]

Well i would not cut away Norway as they are a important faction at the time and controlled a lot of land, Lithuania and teutons can rather be thrown away

I disagree for the exact reasons you defended Norway.

[Ichon]

Yeah... Norway in 1100 still exist but the days of vikings and settlers are mostly over and Denmark becomes dominant power in Scandinavia for many years shortly. Brittany- interesting history but Burgundy deserves much more inclusion just in French history. If look at the SS map then Abassids and 2nd Turk faction or Georgia, Wallochia, Sweden... long list before Brittany.

[0N3]

Yeah... Norway in 1100 still exist but the days of vikings and settlers are mostly over and Denmark becomes dominant power in Scandinavia for many years shortly. Brittany- interesting history but Burgundy deserves much more inclusion just in French history. If look at the SS map then Abassids and 2nd Turk faction or Georgia, Wallochia, Sweden... long list before Brittany.

Yes, Denmark BECOMES the most powerful. Before the black death Norway was in no way weaker then the rest of scandinavia and still had their overseas possesions. By using that logic we should remove many factions that lose their power further ahead in history.

[Æsir]

Well i would not cut away Norway as they are a important faction at the time and controlled a lot of land, Lithuania and teutons can rather be thrown away

What means "a lot of land"? Did you mean Norwegian fjords as "a lot of land"? Because Norwegians did not control nothing else.

Did you know that Lithuania in 14th century lands from Baltic to Black see and was as big as France?

[Makrell]

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What means "a lot of land"? Did you mean Norwegian fjords as "a lot of land"? Because Norwegians did not control nothing else.

Did you know that Lithuania in 14th century lands from Baltic to Black see and was as big as France?

No i did not, here is norway in 1265

Makrell
Norway is an important faction at the time

Important compared to what?

the king of Norway captured a lot of land in britania, and controlled all the hebrides, man, Orkney and a bunch of Ulster in his reign.
at the height of Norways power, when Norway owned Greenland, some of north america, Iceland entire present day Norway + a lot of Sweden and the islands around britian,

I hate to disappoint you, but "a lot of land" doesn't mean it's any good. Importance of territories depends on variety of factors: population density, urbanization level, agriculture, natural resources, accessibility to important trade routes, geopolitical position and much more.
As we see, almost all territories Norway controlled were either poor and unpopulated (Greenland, Iceland) or of low geopolitical importance far away from any trade or military routes.
You are correct, and Norway did do a lot of trade at the time, even though it meight be of "less" importance compared to superpowers such as Byzantine, Burgundy and the Abbazids.
I would suggest moving the map further north if possible, so that Iceland Northern Norway and Greenland are added.

And what about other kingdoms and lands? Serbia, Burgundy, Bohemia, Navarre, Armenia, Georgia, Abassids? Why are they of less importance? Oh, I get it - they were no match compared to mighty and world-dominating Norway. Of course. Let me guess - you are from Norway.
Yes i am, but i say Norway is not necessarily more important than those, i am not well read in eastern european history but Norway did have an impact on the world at the time.
It would really help the gameplay and give Norway the might it deserves

I've got a better idea! Let's delete Byzantine Empire and Kingdom of France (they are tiny and absolutely insignificant anyway) and add Iceland and Greenland! And there should be at least 6 or 7 regions in Greenland alone! That would be so much fun!
That does sound fun, but i think løast kingdom is doing that sorta already, and they have already modified the map

Seriously, this kind of nationalistic egoism doesn't even need to be parodied.

Maybe Norway is not that important but it still needs to be there, it deserves a spot. Im gonna leave this now, hope you guys have fun

[k/t]

I don't think Brittany was very important at all in history. Even if the focus wasn't on including something like Georgia or another Middle-Eastern faction to change the balance of power in the region, there are a bunch of other possible European factions that would take precedence, like Burgundy, Swiss Confederation, Serbia, Netherlands.

Also, what exactly are you so proud of? You didn't do anything other than being born there.

[SirRobin]

Also, what exactly are you so proud of? You didn't do anything other than being born there.

That opens up an opportunity for an interesting debate on the definition of the word "pride", but I think what the lady means is that she appreciates being part of the ongoing history and traditions of her homeland. Which is pretty reasonable, I think, even for those without nationalistic sentiments.

With regards to the land of Brittany, I don't know much about it, as far as I know, it never enjoyed much independence, and so I don't think it should be portrayed in the game as an independant faction.

However, I just read on Wikipedia that the small kingdom's motto was "Rather death before dishonour", which I think should weigh in its favour when deciding if it should be a playable faction

[k/t]

the small kingdom's motto was "Rather death before dishonour", which I think should weigh in its favour when deciding if it should be a playable faction

And a lot of Usans bandy around "Give me liberty or give me death".

Words mean nothing. Only actions count.

How many kingdoms had mottoes like "We suck, but that's ok"? A motto has to be grandiose and noble-sounding, but in the end it's just a motto.

If she appreciates something something, she should say so. Words have precise meanings for a reason.

[Lugiahua]

if there are any new faction for europe, I'd say Ireland...
But how about have Chinese in the game? lol

[RollingWave]

the general agreement right now is generally Georgia and Abbasids, georgia due to it's unique position and culture, while Abbasid would better balance out the Kwarezmid / Turks / Mongol situation to add another player to a region that was for the first half of the middle ages likely to be much more populated than western Europe

[k/t]

Ireland was in the game already...

The Chinese would be good, if you wouldn't mind them being in Persia, since the map can't be made any larger.

[Tears of Destiny]

Hello, and welcome to the boards!

I personally have always loved Britanny, and would love to see it in the game, but unfortunately at this time it seems rather unlikely that it would be inserted into the game, due to the territory and faction slots being already full.

Thhank you however for your contribution to these forums, and I look forward to seeing more!

[ly0_ly0]

No offense but Britanny was kind of insignificant...id rather see Georgia or Armenia

[Meneth]

What I'm planning for MSC is to include Sweden once CC releases BftB for 6.3, and Georgia if the people working on that ever get done (and give me permission to use their work)
I'd love to include even more factions, but sadly I can't due to the unit and the faction limit.

[RollingWave]

unit limit is easier to solve Meneth, no luck on the faction limit though

here's a short list of units I freed up in my up comming submod (partial list)

merged

Merged Mailed Knights / Feudal Knights / Chivaric knight from 3 units to two (And also the dismounted versions) (2 slot)

Merged light men at arms / men at arms / foot men at arms (all 3 unit were using two slots) (3 slot)

merged most of the levy archers with archer militia and the same for crossbowmen verison (by my count, that include the ME / EE /S version of archers, and at least 2 types of crossbow militia) (5 slot).

removed : here's a short list of units I removed, though a lot of them I put in different units in favor of them

sherwood archers
hashahsim
battlefield assasins
noble highland archers
highland rabbles
peasants
s peasants
me peasants
ee peasants
Azabs
Turkish javelinmen
Turkish Ghulams
Ghazis
numidian cavalry
Turkoman mercenary
Akinci
pavise spear milita
pavise spearmen
Edessa Guard
Syrian Auxilliary
Knights of Antioch + dismounted version
Temple guard
Templar Crossbowmen / Longbowmen / Zweihander / Squire
mercenary monster ribault
Yasi archers
Dismounted Bekh Druzhina
Slav Levies
Huscarl (Cavalry)
English Huscarl
Fyrd Spearmen
Constable of Jeruslaem
Bedouin Infantry
Armored Sergeants
Sudanese Javelinmen
Nubian spearmen
Sudanese Tribesmen

By my own count so far, even after using up a lot of them for my new roster, so far I still have a bit more than 20 slots unused, and even after adding a few more units that I plan on doing I think i'll still end up with around 15-18 slots avalible, with a few more units that can reasonablly be argued for removing / merging. all the while pretty much all factions will have MORE units to work with, dramatically so in several's cases despite me removing a ton of them.

So yeah... roster spots isn't really the issue here. faction limit is though

[Lugiahua]

I thought you guys were planning to delete/merge some units already....And correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't there still one slot of faction, and not used because not enough unit slots?