Request thread - which format to open next?

[taw]

Campaign map is a longer term project, but many minor formats can be opened in
one free evening. So - I'm accepting requests here. I'll probably look at formats which
get most requests first, but if they get converters or not depends on their complexity etc.

Or if there's particular part of xmlesf that you'd love to made more semantic, I can do that as well.

Ask away!

[Primergy]

2 requests by me.

bmd.dat (empire maps, some sort of esf, unpacker needed)
cs2.parsed (model file, no idea if it's even possible)

[taw]

2 requests by me.

bmd.dat (empire maps, some sort of esf, unpacker needed)
cs2.parsed (model file, no idea if it's even possible)

I've made some good progress on cs2.parsed.
It's totally possible, and about as complex as groupformations.bin
Does the data look like what you expected?

[The Hedge Knight]

There are hundreds of formats i have wanted in the past but none i can think of now that are not napoleon only .

id agree with the .dat file.

Perhaps also the .markers in the display section of the map folder

And supertexture.stpi which is soe crasy uncompressed dds i think...

[taw]

Guys, bmd.dat is already supported by esf2xml ... I pushed some cutting rules to make xmls more manageable,
and it wouldn't be hurt by esf2xml bitmap support, but t basically already works.

supertexture.stp* is one of the really hard ones, so you probably won't see it too soon.

Could you tell me more about .markers and .cs2_parsed?

[The Hedge Knight]

Well markers appears to have somthing to do with placing things like bridges and other rigid model terrain features on the map ( i think).

.cs2 parsed may be napoleon only and has somthing to do with the big guns. Found in rigidmodels under artillery...

[Primergy]

dat files are indeed openable, sry seams that i missed an update.

I suspect that .cs2_parsed are colision models of the battlefield objects, perhaps there are 2 or 3 models included (since there are names like piece01 , piece_destruct01_colision3D).

@hedgeknight

there are also entries for buildings as far as i can remember.

[taw]

Here's whole bridge.markers - want converteds for that? It's just a bunch of (string, 16 floats) until file ends.

["bridge:france:1", [0.992736339569092, 0.0, 0.120310388505459, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.120310388505459, 0.0, 0.992736339569092, 0.0, -0.271832525730133, 0.0, 8.51470375061035, 1.0]]
["bridge:spain:1", [0.563271522521973, 0.0, -0.826271891593933, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.826271891593933, 0.0, 0.563271522521973, 0.0, -0.105421207845211, 0.0, 7.49461698532104, 1.0]]
["bridge:france:3", [0.463444828987122, 0.0, -0.886125802993774, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.886125802993774, 0.0, 0.463444828987122, 0.0, 0.842698335647583, 0.0, 8.23672676086426, 1.0]]
["bridge:france:4", [0.130353271961212, 0.0, 0.991467595100403, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.991467595100403, 0.0, 0.130353271961212, 0.0, 0.863082110881805, 0.0, 7.87556743621826, 1.0]]
["bridge:france:5", [-0.940386652946472, 0.0, 0.34010711312294, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.34010711312294, 0.0, -0.940386652946472, 0.0, 0.920115172863007, 0.0, 8.28221702575684, 1.0]]
["bridge:france:6", [-0.666349172592163, 0.0, -0.74563992023468, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.74563992023468, 0.0, -0.666349172592163, 0.0, 0.599889814853668, 0.0, 8.75233554840088, 1.0]]
["bridge:france:7", [-0.939692497253418, 0.0, 0.342020213603973, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.342020213603973, 0.0, -0.939692497253418, 0.0, 0.418841183185577, 0.0, 8.97623252868652, 1.0]]
["bridge:england:1", [-0.41772985458374, 0.0, 0.908571243286133, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.908571243286133, 0.0, -0.41772985458374, 0.0, -0.0910872742533684, 0.0, 9.28204917907715, 1.0]]
["bridge:england:2", [-0.310641646385193, 0.0, 0.95052707195282, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.95052707195282, 0.0, -0.310641646385193, 0.0, -0.189880818128586, 0.0, 9.3158540725708, 1.0]]
["bridge:spain:2", [0.999938607215881, 0.0, 0.0110795032233, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.0110795032233, 0.0, 0.999938607215881, 0.0, -0.618298172950745, 0.0, 7.23498678207397, 1.0]]
["bridge:spain:3", [0.940236687660217, 0.0, 0.340521663427353, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.340521663427353, 0.0, 0.940236687660217, 0.0, -0.850679457187653, 0.0, 6.85297775268555, 1.0]]
["bridge:flanders:1", [-0.906307816505432, 0.0, -0.42261803150177, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.42261803150177, 0.0, -0.906307816505432, 0.0, 0.743873178958893, 0.0, 9.32425594329834, 1.0]]
["bridge:rhineland:1", [-0.703954935073853, 0.0, 0.710244655609131, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.710244655609131, 0.0, -0.703954935073853, 0.0, 1.39835143089294, 0.0, 9.03844738006592, 1.0]]
["bridge:hannover:1", [-0.978891611099243, 0.0, 0.204380646348, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.204380646348, 0.0, -0.978891611099243, 0.0, 1.7106876373291, 0.0, 9.67706489562988, 1.0]]
["bridge:hannover:2", [-0.82671856880188, 0.0, 0.562615633010864, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.562615633010864, 0.0, -0.82671856880188, 0.0, 1.98230862617493, 0.0, 9.60895729064941, 1.0]]
["bridge:west_pommerania:3", [-0.173647999763489, 0.0, 0.984807789325714, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.984807789325714, 0.0, -0.173647999763489, 0.0, 2.63912773132324, 0.0, 9.66771411895752, 1.0]]
["bridge:west_pommerania:2", [0.689929127693176, 0.0, -0.723876953125, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.723876953125, 0.0, 0.689929127693176, 0.0, 2.62964034080505, 0.0, 9.49602127075195, 1.0]]
["bridge:west_pommerania:1", [-0.117515325546265, -0.0, -0.99307107925415, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.99307107925415, 0.0, -0.117515325546265, 0.0, 2.12682127952576, 0.0, 9.40570545196533, 1.0]]
["bridge:bavaria:1", [0.766044676303864, 0.0, 0.642787337303162, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.642787337303162, 0.0, 0.766044676303864, 0.0, 1.8255352973938, 0.0, 8.74354648590088, 1.0]]
["bridge:wurttemberg:1", [0.47200733423233, 0.0, 0.881594598293304, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.881594598293304, 0.0, 0.47200733423233, 0.0, 1.46841406822205, 0.0, 8.79096603393555, 1.0]]
["bridge:milan:1", [0.999254584312439, 0.0, 0.0386048518121243, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.0386048518121243, 0.0, 0.999254584312439, 0.0, 1.70454573631287, 0.0, 8.14796829223633, 1.0]]
["bridge:portugal:1", [0.998582720756531, 0.0, 0.0532212369143963, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.0532212369143963, 0.0, 0.998582720756531, 0.0, -1.52204096317291, 0.0, 7.43445682525635, 1.0]]
["bridge:austria:1", [0.996194660663605, 0.0, -0.0871560499072075, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0871560499072075, 0.0, 0.996194660663605, 0.0, 2.59370708465576, 0.0, 8.70966148376465, 1.0]]
["bridge:venice:1", [0.999976098537445, 0.0, 0.00691378116607666, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.00691378116607666, 0.0, 0.999976098537445, 0.0, 2.18674755096436, 0.0, 8.12207126617432, 1.0]]
["bridge:hungary:1", [1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 3.12216663360596, 0.0, 8.6734733581543, 1.0]]
["bridge:hungary:2", [-4.76837158203125e-07, -0.0, -0.999999940395355, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.999999940395355, 0.0, -4.76837158203125e-07, 0.0, 3.44928097724915, 0.0, 8.59663391113281, 1.0]]
["bridge:poland:1", [0.81297755241394, 0.0, -0.582295060157776, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.582295060157776, 0.0, 0.81297755241394, 0.0, 3.64844155311584, 0.0, 9.03647518157959, 1.0]]
["bridge:west_prussia:1", [-0.0828089714050293, -0.0, -0.996565461158752, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.996565461158752, 0.0, -0.0828089714050293, 0.0, 3.41845798492432, 0.0, 9.74729824066162, 1.0]]
["bridge:serbia:1", [-0.81915271282196, 0.0, -0.573575615882874, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.573575615882874, 0.0, -0.81915271282196, 0.0, 3.73931384086609, 0.0, 8.16594982147217, 1.0]]
["bridge:serbia:2", [-0.819151520729065, 0.0, 0.573577225208282, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.573577225208282, 0.0, -0.819151520729065, 0.0, 3.89500832557678, 0.0, 8.06499767303467, 1.0]]
["bridge:wallachia:1", [-0.945037841796875, 0.0, 0.326961368322372, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.326961368322372, 0.0, -0.945037841796875, 0.0, 4.27610349655151, 0.0, 7.90248584747314, 1.0]]
["bridge:crimea:1", [-0.967645764350891, 0.0, -0.252312958240509, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.252312958240509, 0.0, -0.967645764350891, 0.0, 5.98453617095947, 0.0, 8.44248104095459, 1.0]]
["bridge:crimea:2", [-0.906139254570007, 0.0, 0.422979354858398, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.422979354858398, 0.0, -0.906139254570007, 0.0, 6.16927671432495, 0.0, 8.81081962585449, 1.0]]
["bridge:courland:1", [-0.537196159362793, 0.0, 0.843457400798798, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.843457400798798, 0.0, -0.537196159362793, 0.0, 4.39080381393433, 0.0, 10.281379699707, 1.0]]
["bridge:muscovy:1", [-0.847380042076111, 0.0, 0.530986666679382, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.530986666679382, 0.0, -0.847380042076111, 0.0, 7.25877094268799, 0.0, 10.3880758285522, 1.0]]
["bridge:tatariya:1", [-0.499999165534973, 0.0, 0.866025984287262, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.866025984287262, 0.0, -0.499999165534973, 0.0, 8.89490509033203, 0.0, 9.98253440856934, 1.0]]
["bridge:tatariya:2", [0.456071555614471, 0.0, 0.88994312286377, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.88994312286377, 0.0, 0.456071555614471, 0.0, 8.05552101135254, 0.0, 8.80476379394531, 1.0]]
["bridge:tatariya:3", [0.487127423286438, 0.0, 0.873330950737, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.873330950737, 0.0, 0.487127423286438, 0.0, 7.85156154632568, 0.0, 8.76503849029541, 1.0]]
["bridge:tatariya:4", [0.999982059001923, 0.0, -0.00599230965599418, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.00599230965599418, 0.0, 0.999982059001923, 0.0, 7.41685199737549, 0.0, 8.59058284759521, 1.0]]
["bridge:syria:1", [0.23879075050354, 0.0, 0.971071004867554, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.971071004867554, 0.0, 0.23879075050354, 0.0, 6.90449380874634, 0.0, 6.57058715820312, 1.0]]
["bridge:mesopotamia:1", [0.136487245559692, 0.0, 0.990641832351685, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.990641832351685, 0.0, 0.136487245559692, 0.0, 7.82386493682861, 0.0, 6.45703363418579, 1.0]]
["bridge:mesopotamia:2", [-0.934106111526489, 0.0, 0.356995552778244, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.356995552778244, 0.0, -0.934106111526489, 0.0, 7.88138246536255, 0.0, 6.27865409851074, 1.0]]
["bridge:mesopotamia:3", [0.130406558513641, 0.0, 0.991460621356964, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.991460621356964, 0.0, 0.130406558513641, 0.0, 8.04785823822021, 0.0, 6.0304102897644, 1.0]]
["bridge:mesopotamia:4", [0.996680438518524, 0.0, 0.0814134851098061, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.0814134851098061, 0.0, 0.996680438518524, 0.0, 8.24331188201904, 0.0, 5.87663269042969, 1.0]]
["bridge:mesopotamia:5", [0.935556411743164, 0.0, -0.3531773686409, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.3531773686409, 0.0, 0.935556411743164, 0.0, 8.33675956726074, 0.0, 5.60965204238892, 1.0]]
["bridge:egypt:1", [0.38447505235672, 0.0, -0.92313539981842, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.92313539981842, 0.0, 0.38447505235672, 0.0, 5.88128042221069, 0.0, 4.58074903488159, 1.0]]
["bridge:punjab:1", [0.471812009811401, 0.0, 0.881699204444885, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.881699204444885, 0.0, 0.471812009811401, 0.0, 12.9345588684082, 0.0, 5.88499164581299, 1.0]]
["bridge:hindustan:1", [-0.763745665550232, 0.0, 0.645517289638519, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.645517289638519, 0.0, -0.763745665550232, 0.0, 14.3411197662354, 0.0, 4.99127340316772, 1.0]]
["bridge:hindustan:2", [-0.993690490722656, 0.0, -0.112157225608826, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.112157225608826, 0.0, -0.993690490722656, 0.0, 15.2918014526367, 0.0, 4.64053058624268, 1.0]]
["bridge:malwa:1", [-0.81915271282196, 0.0, -0.573575615882874, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.573575615882874, 0.0, -0.81915271282196, 0.0, 14.288423538208, 0.0, 4.11001396179199, 1.0]]
["bridge:hyderabad:1", [-0.984807848930359, 0.0, -0.173647060990334, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.173647060990334, 0.0, -0.984807848930359, 0.0, 14.1078224182129, 0.0, 3.33870315551758, 1.0]]
["bridge:hyderabad:2", [-0.775098204612732, 0.0, 0.631840765476227, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.631840765476227, 0.0, -0.775098204612732, 0.0, 14.0974597930908, 0.0, 2.9108521938324, 1.0]]
["bridge:orissa:1", [-0.74289345741272, 0.0, 0.6694096326828, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.6694096326828, 0.0, -0.74289345741272, 0.0, 14.8225774765015, 0.0, 3.03320646286011, 1.0]]
["bridge:gujarat:1", [-0.939692974090576, 0.0, -0.342019021511078, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.342019021511078, 0.0, -0.939692974090576, 0.0, 13.1955327987671, 0.0, 3.91380715370178, 1.0]]
["bridge:sindh:1", [-0.963149189949036, 0.0, -0.268967241048813, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.268967241048813, 0.0, -0.963149189949036, 0.0, 12.4145936965942, 0.0, 4.46280670166016, 1.0]]
["bridge:new_france:1", [-0.695244908332825, 0.0, 0.718772888183594, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.718772888183594, 0.0, -0.695244908332825, 0.0, -13.2458810806274, 0.0, 8.30369281768799, 1.0]]
["bridge:new_york:1", [-0.0871546268463135, 0.0, 0.996194839477539, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.996194839477539, 0.0, -0.0871546268463135, 0.0, -13.2051677703857, 0.0, 7.76519346237183, 1.0]]
["bridge:new_york:2", [0.866025924682617, 0.0, 0.499999046325684, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.499999046325684, 0.0, 0.866025924682617, 0.0, -13.3098058700562, 0.0, 7.57771873474121, 1.0]]
["bridge:new_york:3", [-0.422617554664612, 0.0, 0.906308233737946, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.906308233737946, 0.0, -0.422617554664612, 0.0, -13.3403186798096, 0.0, 7.40043640136719, 1.0]]
["bridge:algonquin_territory:1", [-0.819151520729065, 0.0, 0.573577225208282, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.573577225208282, 0.0, -0.819151520729065, 0.0, -14.4914283752441, 0.0, 7.3382682800293, 1.0]]
["bridge:upper_louisiana:1", [-0.9123694896698, 0.0, 0.409367710351944, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.409367710351944, 0.0, -0.9123694896698, 0.0, -16.1910495758057, 0.0, 6.83679056167603, 1.0]]
["bridge:lower_louisiana:2", [-1.0, 0.0, 1.10467010472348e-06, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -1.10467010472348e-06, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, -16.6501007080078, 0.0, 6.3512077331543, 1.0]]
["bridge:lower_louisiana:1", [-0.751481294631958, 0.0, -0.659754455089569, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.659754455089569, 0.0, -0.751481294631958, 0.0, -16.5354690551758, 0.0, 5.68239212036133, 1.0]]
["bridge:tejas:1", [-0.819151282310486, 0.0, 0.573577463626862, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.573577463626862, 0.0, -0.819151282310486, 0.0, -17.9833831787109, 0.0, 5.00740337371826, 1.0]]
["bridge:new_grenada:1", [-0.087157130241394, -0.0, -0.996194541454315, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.996194541454315, 0.0, -0.087157130241394, 0.0, -13.4908790588379, 0.0, 0.96521270275116, 1.0]]
["bridge:france:2", [0.754133105278015, 0.0, -0.656721591949463, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.656721591949463, 0.0, 0.754133105278015, 0.0, -0.126807183027267, 0.0, 8.14407157897949, 1.0]]
["bridge:muscovy:2", [0.819791436195374, 0.0, 0.572662234306335, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.572662234306335, 0.0, 0.819791436195374, 0.0, 6.35136747360229, 0.0, 10.2007789611816, 1.0]]
["bridge:spain:4", [0.565324306488037, 0.0, 0.824868738651276, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 0.0, -0.824868738651276, 0.0, 0.565324306488037, 0.0, -1.11583030223846, 0.0, 6.6912055015564, 1.0]]

[taw]

Markers converters ready. Any other requests?

[taw]

Could you confirm that nobody knows how to open .cs2.parsed again?
It looks openable enough, if people care.

[Primergy]

Just curious, would it be possible to convert the models_building DB table to xml?

At moment editing it with hex editors isn't that much fun^^.

[taw]

Just curious, would it be possible to convert the models_building DB table to xml?

At moment editing it with hex editors isn't that much fun^^.

Yes, I think it should be relatively straightforward to make a simple converter. ;-)

[The Hedge Knight]

how about models naval? I do realise that its more complex than buildings but...

[taw]

how about models naval? I do realise that its more complex than buildings but...

Yeah, it's possible, but it feels like too much work for too little benefit.

The main difference is that buildings are documented, but naval models are not.

[The Hedge Knight]

I dont think its a little benefit, if we could edit that table we would have in theory (i think) all we need to mod ships.

[taw]

I dont think its a little benefit, if we could edit that table we would have in theory (i think) all we need to mod ships.

Is that everything we'd need for ship modding, or would we also need something else?

[The Hedge Knight]

Well model can be done with uu3d, the rigging is xml. Its just that file (i think, ca may have slipped somthing else in) which controls placements.

[taw]

Well model can be done with uu3d, the rigging is xml. Its just that file (i think, ca may have slipped somthing else in) which controls placements.

Could you list all places where model for a single ship is specified?
It would help me with opening db table.

[The Hedge Knight]

I only have the ntw version which will be different in contents but hopefully not format... Would that still help?

[taw]

I only have the ntw version which will be different in contents but hopefully not format... Would that still help?

Possibly. Tell me everything you know.