Getting Rid of Nasty Boiling Oil

[Paladin94610]

Gates of stone walled cities of the Middle Ages are often defended with Murder Holes from which Boiling Oil are poured onto the unfortunate besiegers. I lost more than a dozen general by boiling oil along with 1000 men in my M2TW experience. So I am try to get rid of this inhumanely weapon.

There are many ways to avoid boiling oil.

1) Simply don't walk under the murder holes when the gates are still in enemy control. Take ladders or siege ladders and seize enemy walls and open the gate for your troops outside the city while securing the gate is not under enemy's control. I assume you have no artillery to bring down the walls and this is definitely the condition to consider about boiling oil.

2) Destroy the Gate House with artillery, that will make murder holes unable to operate.

3) The last one is to place a battering ram (with a roof) directly under murder holes. Boiling oil will flow on the roof of ram damaging it. You have more than 5 mins to pass through the gate before the ram burnt down in a continual flow of oil. Make sure you test with your cannon folding unit if it's working. If not move the ram forward or backward as needed.

[Ishan]

Or one can always avoid the gates and go through punctured walls.

[Caesar Clivus]

Or one can always avoid the gates and go through punctured walls.

Or over them

[Ishan]

Or over them

Yes true. I tried my best to enable the sapping feature of RTW in M2TW, .exe has the commands sets but some how it's incomplete and thus i failed.

Yeah. But what if you don't have any catapults, trebuchets or cannons.

Then i disable them as was in vanilla and play it without them.

[Paladin94610]

Or one can always avoid the gates and go through punctured walls.

Yeah. But what if you don't have any catapults, trebuchets or cannons.

[Caesar Clivus]

Yeah. But what if you don't have any catapults, trebuchets or cannons.

Ladders, siege towers

[Paladin94610]

Yeah you also have siege towers and ladders but you can still have one more passage into the city, (through the gate I mean.)

[Tomato_Sandwich]

So do you want boiling oil in the game or are you wanting to get rid of it? I disabled it completely and have lived a happier life ever since. Mainly because the AI now stand a chance when sieging me.

[SirRobin]

The various ways to avoid getting run over by a car

1: Don't walk across the road when there is a car coming

2: If there is a car coming and you must cross the road, cross it when the car is still far away from you.

3: If you absolutely must cross very quickly, and the car is close, then wait till it passes you and you can cross in safety. (unless there is another car coming, so always check up on that before attempting any crossing)

Tip:You will know that the car passed you because its lights will then turn from white to red !

4: If you are feeling creative, it's also possible to avoid getting run over by a car by choosing another route to your destination, one that doesn't involve crossing the road.

5: Sometimes you will be lucky and find a pedestrian bridge or tunnel. These fixtures provide an easy way to cross the road without being hit by nasty cars, but they require more effort as there is rarely any escalator built into them.

6: You can of course also bombard the road with siege artillery, this will cause the flow of cars to stop and you can cross safely.

[HolyDevil]

i never got rid of mine, and NEVER saw boiling oil in action... dunno why

[Asterix]

i defend cities a lot, i never attack them (i'm terrible at that). one thing that always annoyed me is how ing slow boiling oil is to reload. *oil pours. 2 minute interval. oil pours. oil pourers take a lunch break. they decide to catch a few winks. wake up, pour oil, then call it a day* maybe its because i'm defending (if i ever attacked a city i'd probably think it was too fast ) but what is the established rate for that? can i change it?

[SirRobin]

i defend cities a lot, i never attack them (i'm terrible at that). one thing that always annoyed me is how ing slow boiling oil is to reload. *oil pours. 2 minute interval. oil pours. oil pourers take a lunch break. they decide to catch a few winks. wake up, pour oil, then call it a day* maybe its because i'm defending (if i ever attacked a city i'd probably think it was too fast ) but what is the established rate for that? can i change it?

Ha ha I think the rate is slow to reflect that the defenders have to heat up another cauldron of oil - and to prevent the oil from just deep frying the whole enemy army as it races through the gate.

[Asterix]

Ha ha I think the rate is slow to reflect that the defenders have to heat up another cauldron of oil - and to prevent the oil from just deep frying the whole enemy army as it races through the gate.

you'd think the people would be smart enough to keep a few already boiling before the battle and keep it on low heat for a while

[Baywatch]

you'd think the people would be smart enough to keep a few already boiling before the battle and keep it on low heat for a while

Anyone here ever play Stronghold/Stronghold: Crusader wayyy back in the day? Those poor lads had to constantly run from the walls to the cauldron between every pour. I'd imagine it's much the same in this game only the cauldron is likely in the gatehouse. So, it's completely believable to me how long they take. Keep in mind handling boiling oil would be a much more difficult and dangerous process than handling water.

To answer the OP, to avoid boiling oil if you really want to go through the gate just shoot the gate house with artillery until it is 100% damaged it disables the oil. If you don't have siege weapons then you're unfortunately going to have to avoid the gate until you've captured it if you want to avoid the oil.

[Paladin94610]

Anyone here ever play Stronghold/Stronghold: Crusader wayyy back in the day? Those poor lads had to constantly run from the walls to the cauldron between every pour. I'd imagine it's much the same in this game only the cauldron is likely in the gatehouse. So, it's completely believable to me how long they take. Keep in mind handling boiling oil would be a much more difficult and dangerous process than handling water.

To answer the OP, to avoid boiling oil if you really want to go through the gate just shoot the gate house with artillery until it is 100% damaged it disables the oil. If you don't have siege weapons then you're unfortunately going to have to avoid the gate until you've captured it if you want to avoid the oil.

At the OP,

2) Destroy the Gate House with artillery, that will make murder holes unable to operate.

[Asterix]

. Keep in mind handling boiling oil would be a much more difficult and dangerous process than handling water.

Well, i think water would work just as well... as long as i can give those ing hordes of Fatimids some pain before they drive my crusader knights into the Meditteranean...

[SirRobin]

you'd think the people would be smart enough to keep a few already boiling before the battle and keep it on low heat for a while

I think that's how french fries were invented

Seriously, I think the amount of oil should be limited to .. 6 pots? And let the player trigger it at the perfect time.

[Caesar Clivus]

Yeah any quicker and it'd be way overpowered. All you'd have to do to win any siege is to open the gates yourself.

[midget_roxx]

No then it would be far to easy to abuse that mechanic. You could wait for the general to aproach the gates then spam the "pore oil" button. Better to leave it as it is

[SirRobin]

No then it would be far to easy to abuse that mechanic. You could wait for the general to aproach the gates then spam the "pore oil" button. Better to leave it as it is

We already have a game with 1000 ways to horribly abuse the AI - what's preventing you from planting stakes in that gatehouse ?


On a side note: What we need is not a better AI, but an AI that simply weighs its options differently.

The computer ses the gatehouse as a "soft target" compared to assaulting the walls, when clearly it's the other way around. It would be really easy for the developers to fix that priority.