What's with all the old hags? Can it be fixed?!

**gamer025** · November 09, 2010, 11:42 AM

I remember there was a similar issue in RTW...

Anyway, I'm sick of having brides presented for my "sons" only to find they are 30+ or even 40 years old. That is insane... these women are ancient by medieval standards and sometimes rarely have any children. I'm sick of saving, accepting the marriage, finding out she's old, and then having to reload and cancel the marriage. Is there some way to fix it so that the brides are always 16-20, or at least younger than the man to a minimum of 16 and maximum of 2x?

On that note, It would be nice if when a bride is presented it shows what traits she has, much how a male is done. I realize you can't use them but these women do have traits we just can't see them.

**MJDreamWalker13** · November 09, 2010, 01:07 PM

The game wouldn't be as good if everything went according to our plans.
Save & Reload is the probably the best way to go, if not, the only.

**ChivalrousKiller** · November 09, 2010, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by MJDreamWalker13

The game wouldn't be as good if everything went according to our plans.
Save & Reload is the probably the best way to go, if not, the only.

No, but I believe even Medieval kings got to know about the woman they decided should be their son's wife

**eXistenZ** · November 09, 2010, 01:25 PM

You could try the fertile/charming traits through the cheat console

**zcylen** · November 09, 2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by ChivalrousKiller

No, but I believe even Medieval kings got to know about the woman they decided should be their son's wife

but sometimes kings had to marry their sons to some princess just to get
an alliance. no matter if the boy wanted or not
so, even knowing or not, you had no choice but to marry and prau prau to breed sons

**eXistenZ** · November 09, 2010, 03:31 PM

Ok not related to this but i just had to let some steam off, and it's an even bigger annoyance than getting old wives that marry your FM's. didn't want to open a new topic either, cause it's well known.

Every

ing time you get betrayed!. Playing as france. Royal marriage with spain? nah just attack anyway. alliance with HRE? worthless. Assassinating the general of the english army, standing in my lands that came back from a crusade? next turn there is a new FM, and he lays siege to Bruges. Milan? they attack anyone. And all my enemies are allied to each other in someway.

And all that within a frame of 10 turns. I'm going back to empire. It's diplomacy may suck, but at least no-one betrays you

**gamer025** · November 09, 2010, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by zcylen

but sometimes kings had to marry their sons to some princess just to get
an alliance. no matter if the boy wanted or not
so, even knowing or not, you had no choice but to marry and prau prau to breed sons

I'm sorry, no. I mean you're right, but, you wouldn't marry your son to some girl that is 10 years older especially in her 30s in the MIDDLE AGES. Most of these marriages are probably planned out when the people are like like 6 years old anyway so they already know each other and grew up together (more or less) and are the same or similar ages. By 35 a woman today is already getting on for having children.. in the middle ages she's ancient. People lived to 50s if they were lucky so 25 is middle-aged already. Anyway this isn't what the topic is about. There was an issue in RTW where brides were too old or something and a patch was released to fix it so that the women were a minimum age and a maximum (relative to the general.) It must be fixable in MTWII because it's practically the same issue.

**SturmChurro** · November 09, 2010, 03:43 PM

To tell you the truth I don't even look at their ages afterwards. When I press accept for a family member I am done with that.

**Chad29** · November 09, 2010, 07:50 PM

Women tend to get the short end of the stick in this game. Adopted daughters don't show their ages, so you could wind up marrying your 19 year old son to a 40 year old woman. Plus it doesn't even give you a notice when your daughters come of age. That's one of the big nitpicks I have with this game. I realise back then women didn't really count as people, but I would still like to know these things in my video game!

**gamer025** · November 10, 2010, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Chad29

Women tend to get the short end of the stick in this game. Adopted daughters don't show their ages, so you could wind up marrying your 19 year old son to a 40 year old woman. Plus it doesn't even give you a notice when your daughters come of age. That's one of the big nitpicks I have with this game. I realise back then women didn't really count as people, but I would still like to know these things in my video game!

Good points there Chad29. I'm still hoping someone comes through. I still don't understand why this was never fixed officially since it was address and fixed in a patch for RTW by the Creative Assembly!