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    Default Major states.

    Now it is my theory that the world will at some point split intoseveral major states, Europe[including russia] asia, all of the americas, africa and the middle east.

    I was just wondering who agrees with me andat what point you believe it might happen.
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    I disagree.

    With the evolution of the rise of democratic regimes and digital media, war is becoming exceedingly more difficult to justify. Were a legitimate war to break out under a particular legislature, they would be susceptible to losing power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoisbest View Post
    I disagree.

    With the evolution of the rise of democratic regimes and digital media, war is becoming exceedingly more difficult to justify. Were a legitimate war to break out under a particular legislature, they would be susceptible to losing power.
    Where did he mention war?

    I believe the notion that the world is dividing into major states has already been happening for a while. I mean look at EU or NATO. It's the natural result of globalization.
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    He didn't, but it is the simplest form of compounding nations.

    The way I see it, it is incredibly difficult to change individual laws. Combining multiple nations would multiply this difficulty.
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    I disagree with the OP. What's good for, say, North America will not be good for South America. Logically it doesn't make much sense.
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    aren't the South Americans thinking about compounding themselves into one giant union?

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    aren't the South Americans thinking about compounding themselves into one giant union?
    Unions (like the EU, AU, and SEATO) I think are fine, but you can see already see the increasing levels of bureaucracy and resistance to such organizations. Imagine if the EU was actually a centralized government that is supposed to govern over all the now-provinces of Europe? Can you imagine the amount of issues they would have to deal with nationally? Can you imagine the resentment and anger the people would have with a large representative democracy that can't possibly govern over all of them? What would the governments even be like? Would it be possible to have conservatives from England, liberals from France, and moderates from Germany to ever agree on an issues? Think of the mess you have with the United States but on a grander scale. The only possible way it could work is if the government was totalitarian, but even then it would be difficult to administer such large regions.
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    I'd rather be able to emigrate and decide what laws I want to see on the books. With very large super states freedoms would be slashed with far less representation. I dont' want to see people trying to decide what it best for me in the US when they also have mexico to worry about. Yes, that physically close and I still woudln't like it. I already don't like it in the US between states.

    I think the corruption would be more than rampant.
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    "Oceania is at war with Eurasia, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia"

    If society develops well, I think we'll see a de-centralisation of the political process, with loose 'meta-states' like the future versions of the EU. The base political unit would be, I envisage, to be the city, or even extended neighbourhoods. This would allow a greater process of direct-democracy.

    The Meta-state would be left for the people who actually know how to run the country. Not hereditary, but essentially like a job. No elections, but only the best are picked, with various controls put in place to allow for the smooth transfer of ideas, and no restraining ideologies.

    If this happened, then perhaps the divisions will be cultural, like European, or geographical, like Australasia (APEC)..

    If society doesn't develop well, then these massive states may occur, and I envisage their primary function would be martial, and meta-economic policy.

    Wars would have a lot of cyber/technological warfare, I imagine. I doubt the wars will be quite as orwellian as 1984, where they are just lies, but who can predict?
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    Would it be possible to have conservatives from England
    I dislike conservatives sooo much and i didnt even change my mind post election. I did sort of mean that they would work like england with different county councils deciding what to spend there money on but a major government guiding the overall policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattgoby View Post
    I dislike conservatives sooo much and i didnt even change my mind post election. I did sort of mean that they would work like england with different county councils deciding what to spend there money on but a major government guiding the overall policy.
    I'm just saying that an English conservative probably won't agree with a French liberal or even a German conservative. Too many representatives to have an efficient representative democracy. The only option left is oligarchy or totalitarianism.
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    If the balance of Power Changes and Russia becomes part of the EU forming a Eurasian Union, the United Kingdom will most likely grow closer to the United States. It would hardly be surprising if we end up with something not unlike nineteen eighty four albeit in twenty eighty four as fitting with Baron Thunder's thoughts.

    Most likely the English speaking world (such as Britain, the United States, Canada, Australia, and India) would form a power block set against a Latin american, oriental, a Middle Eastern Oil State League, and Eurasian ones. Not quite 1984 but something like it. Brazil is a rising power alongside China and India. India may become the West... Obama of course is already making moves toward this (wisely) India will probably end up eclipsing the rest of the world. What China has achieved through despotism India has achieved through liberalism. That's the future superpower. America will pass the torch to India (Presuming they don't get butt raped by China...)
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    Default Re: Major states.

    The Western Hemisphere will be the seat of power in our future. Latin America will become a much larger player in world politics and the US will remain the most dominant nation.

    East asia and south asia will not be the seat of power in the future. China's imminent collapse will spell the end of its possiblities. India's pocketed development will keep it constrained to being a regional power.

    In Europe the power may switch from Western Europe to Eastern Europe. Turkey will be a large player in the world, particularly in the Mid-East and Eastern Europe.

    The only chance for the US to unify with anyone would be with canada. As the two nations are very similar and are very economically and politically close. We shall call ourselves.... Canericans.
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    Hopefully we have the dissolution of the Federal Government and a merger with the confederation of Canada. I'd like to see the United States become more reliant on the state governments. Our country is too large and diverse for a centralized government to be effective. The power should rest in the... provinces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    The Western Hemisphere will be the seat of power in our future. Latin America will become a much larger player in world politics and the US will remain the most dominant nation.

    East asia and south asia will not be the seat of power in the future. China's imminent collapse will spell the end of its possiblities. India's pocketed development will keep it constrained to being a regional power.

    In Europe the power may switch from Western Europe to Eastern Europe. Turkey will be a large player in the world, particularly in the Mid-East and Eastern Europe.

    The only chance for the US to unify with anyone would be with canada. As the two nations are very similar and are very economically and politically close. We shall call ourselves.... Canericans.
    Personally, I believe that Asia will become much more powerful, possibly rivaling the West even within most of our lifetimes, or at the very least our childrens'. Economic growth is rather high after all, as seen here. Latin and Southern America are, on the contrary, commonly experiencing economic decline.
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