Ancillary father to son

[ronnie76]

Hello everyone,

I recently added 2 new ancillaries to my SS6.3 mod and I am trying to get them to pass from father to son when the father dies peacefully. The ancillaries show up fine in the game but when the faction leader father dies the ancillaries do not show up for the either son.

Below are my trigger codes.

If anyone could help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

;------------------------------------------
Trigger fieldcommander
 WhenToTest PostBattle
 Condition GeneralHPLostRatioinBattle <= 50
 and GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 50
 and WonBattle
 and not Routs
 and Attribute Command >= 5
 and BattleOdds <= 0.50
 and Trait GoodCommander >= 3

 AcquireAncillary fieldcommander chance 20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger fieldcommander 
WhenToTest FatherDiesNatural
Condition FatherAnc fieldcommander
 

AcquireAncillary fieldcommander chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger royalguardian
 WhenToTest PostBattle
 Condition GeneralHPLostRatioinBattle <= 60
 and GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 50
 and WonBattle
 and not Routs

 AcquireAncillary royalguardian chance 10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger royalguardian
WhenToTest FatherDiesNatural
Condition FatherAnc royalguardian


AcquireAncillary royalguardian chance 100

Thanks,

ROnnie

[Ishan]

The triggers look fine to me so it should work. Have you checked the SS log what that say about it?
Try to rename the anc like royal_guardian.

Like

Condition FatherAnc royal_guardian

Or you could also create a separate trigger placing this condition also:-

Condition IsFactionHeir

[ronnie76]

Thanks so much for responding Ishan.

I changed the ancillary to royal_guardian as you suggested. I also incorporated the "and IsFactionHeir" to test if the problem was with the son being the heir but it still doesn't seem to be working. Here is an excerpt from my system log where I think the trigger should have occurred.

07:13:54.375 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0006_UI_Panel_Settlement_Icons_Trigger> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0093_Update_Normal_Difficulty> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0046_P_Normalise> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0083b_Update_Allies> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0084b_Update_Enemies> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0085_Update_Religion> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0096_Increase_Global_Standing_New_Turn> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0108_Update_Untrustworthy_Factions_Minor> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Scotland> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0101_High_Income1> fired
07:13:54.390 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0002_New_Campaign_Turn_Trigger> fired
07:13:54.390 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga
07:13:54.390 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga
07:13:54.390 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga.dds
07:13:54.390 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.390 [system.io] [trace] file open,,27F7FE90,217308
07:13:54.390 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/generic/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists: missing data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga.dds
07:13:54.406 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.421 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga,217308
07:13:54.421 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.421 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga,217308
07:13:54.421 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.437 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/units/scotland/merchant.tga,12332
07:13:54.437 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/units/scotland/merchant.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:54.437 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/units/scotland/diplomat.tga,12332
07:13:54.437 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/units/scotland/diplomat.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:57.140 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0201_Message_First_Incoming_Message_Trigger> fired
07:13:58.062 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0201_Message_First_Incoming_Message_Trigger> fired
07:13:58.343 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga,217308
07:13:58.343 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:58.343 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga,217308
07:13:58.343 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/familyevent_deathimportant.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:59.093 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0201_Message_First_Incoming_Message_Trigger> fired
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/SS6.3/data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga
07:13:59.828 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/dead/114.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:14:00.109 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0201_Message_First_Incoming_Message_Trigger> fired
07:14:07.031 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga,217308
07:14:07.031 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_faction_leader.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:14:07.031 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga,217308
07:14:07.031 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/northern_european/eventpics/new_ancillary_character.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:14:09.343 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/young/generals/194.tga,26540
07:14:09.343 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/young/generals/194.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:14:09.343 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/young/generals/138.tga,26540
07:14:09.343 [system.io] [info] open:   found data/ui/southern_european/portraits/portraits/young/generals/138.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:14:09.343 [system.io] [info] exists:   found mods/SS6.3/data/ui/units/mercs/#Border_Horse.tga (from: C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
07:14:09.343 [system.io] [info] exists:   found mods/SS6.3/data/ui/units/mercs/#Border_Horse.tga (from: C:\Program

Thanks again for responding and helping.

Regards,

Ronnie

[Squid]

What are the full entries for the actual ancillaries? You've also got multiple triggers with the same name, this is a no-no. Click the tools link in my sig and download my ATVTW tool, it checks for a large variety of trait/ancillary/trigger related issues.

[ronnie76]

Thank you for helping Squid.

Using your ATVTW toll I only received the following error when checking both Ancillary and Ancillary Triggers

Ancillary - royal_guardian Warning: ExcludedAncillaries swordbearer does not work in both directions.

I tried changing the second trigger from "Trigger royal_guardian_trigger" to "Trigger royal_guardian_trigger2" but that did not work either.

I have only added these 2 new ancillaries all other ancillaries and ancillary triggers are from the base install of SS6.3.

Here is my entries into the export_descr_ancillaries.txt file

;------------------------------------------
Ancillary royal_guardian
 Type Military
 Transferable 1
 Image warrior_squire.tga
 ExcludedAncillaries swordbearer
 ExcludeCultures southern_european, mesoamerican
 Description royal_guardian_desc
 EffectsDescription royal_guardian_effects_desc
 Effect HitPoints 2
 Effect PersonalSecurity 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary field_commander
 Type Military
 Transferable 1
 Image warrior_captain.tga
 ExcludeCultures southern_european, mesoamerican
 Description field_commander_desc
 EffectsDescription field_commander_effects_desc
 Effect Authority 2
 Effect Command 2
 Effect SiegeAttack 2
;------------------------------------------
 
;================ Triggers ================
;------------------------------------------
Trigger field_commander
 WhenToTest PostBattle
 Condition GeneralHPLostRatioinBattle <= 50
 and GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 50
 and WonBattle
 and not Routs
 and Attribute Command >= 5
 and BattleOdds <= 0.50
 and Trait GoodCommander >= 3

 AcquireAncillary field_commander chance 20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger field_commander
WhenToTest FatherDiesNatural
Condition FatherAnc field_commander
 

AcquireAncillary field_commander chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger royal_guardian_trigger
 WhenToTest PostBattle
 Condition GeneralHPLostRatioinBattle <= 60
 and GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 50
 and WonBattle
 and not Routs

 AcquireAncillary royal_guardian chance 10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger royal_guardian_trigger 
WhenToTest FatherDiesNatural
Condition FatherAnc royal_guardian


AcquireAncillary royal_guardian chance 100

;------------------------------------------

I was going to make my step to download the Stripped Mod Folder and add the ancillaries and triggers in there to see if it is a problem with SS6.3.

Thanks again so much for trying to help me out.

Regards,
Ronnie

[TNZ]

ronnie76: Have you added royal_guardian to swordbearer's 'ExcludedAncillaries' line?

;------------------------------------------
Ancillary apothecary
    Type Health
    Transferable  1 
    Image Zapothecary.tga
    ExcludedAncillaries astrologer
    ExcludeCultures mesoamerican, eastern_european
    Description apothecary_desc
    EffectsDescription apothecary_effects_desc
    Effect Fertility  1 
    Effect HitPoints  4

;------------------------------------------
Ancillary astrologer
    Type Academic
    Transferable  0 
    Image ZAstrologer.tga
    ExcludedAncillaries apothecary
    ExcludeCultures northern_european, eastern_european
    Description astrologer_desc
    EffectsDescription astrologer_effects_desc
    Effect Authority  1

[Squid]

I think the problem is that death in battle is not considered a natural death so the natural death trigger isn't firing when you think it should. If you set your log to trace you should see if the natural death trigger is firing after the father dies in battle (I don't think it does).

If I'm right then you'll need to use a bit of scripting in order to achieve what you want, if its possible.

[Ishan]

Yes you are right Squid Death in battlefield is not considered as a Natural death by game.

[ronnie76]

When I searched the forums I did read about there not being a command for battle death so the king is dying naturally, not in battle.

I have edited the desc_strat to make him 89 years old so that he usually dies on the first or second turn of the campaign.

TNZ: I just tried adding the royal_guardian to swordbearer's 'ExcludedAncillaries' line but that didn't help either. The field_commander doesn't have any excludes and it also does pass to the son.

I also tried adding the following code to make the academic advisor pass to the son both in my SS6.3 mod and in the Vanilla game but no luck there either. I'm sure I must be missing some minor detail or something.

;------------------------------------------
Trigger academic_advisor2
WhenToTest FatherDiesNatural
Condition FatherAnc academic_advisor
 
AcquireAncillary academic_advisor chance 100

Thanks again for all of the help.

[ronnie76]

So I did some further testing in the vanilla game.

I edited the vanilla descr_strat to make England's leader William to be 89 years old and start with the ancillary shard_of_the_true_cross which has the father dies natural trigger already there. I changed the chance to 100. I changed the heir Rufus to have the trait PublicFaith 4 to ensure his piety was above 2, but the ancillary did not pass to Rufus.

Here is the only FatherDiesNatural line from the system log. I don't know what the 024 means or if it is even the correct trigger.

21:56:37.578 [game.script.trigger] [info] 	024 triggers tested by event FatherDiesNatural

Here is the ancillary trigger entry.

;------------------------------------------
Trigger shard_of_the_true_cross_father_anc_trigger
    WhenToTest FatherDiesNatural
    Condition Attribute Piety > 2
          and FatherAnc shard_of_the_true_cross
          and not HasAncType Relic

    AcquireAncillary shard_of_the_true_cross chance  100

Thanks,
Ronnie