More Strategies on Ottomans

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Fighting on the map pyramids as Ottomans is an easy win to be honest. It's more of a war of attribution. Just let your opponent run to you and let his troops tire easily.

Interesting strategy - ive used similar type builds and strategies with the ottomans for quite a while now with mixed success (im not as good a player as u ) and ive found that the army its toughest to execute against is the British because their line has good melee defence, especially KGL line. There is a HUGE advantage as the ottomans on the Pyramids map - that is for sure!

well i think the best way to beat otto is with good cav - ive seen lots go heavy on elite line but even if you beat off the jans you still have to deal with the nizam inf and cav - so against that build i would go napoleon / 4 swiss / 4 polish / 4 militia / 4 cuirasieers and 2 chasseurs and cheval. lights against otto are a bit of a waste of money on pyramids. and i wouldnt attack the hill - bringing jans your pretty much indicating your going to attack so i would move up slowly and wait you should also not put lines to close to each other a small gap makes it easier to reposition to shoot melleeing jans and room to send in your heavy cav to kill the mellee ottos - with napoleon close the jans will rout and then cav the otto line. the chasseurs are really only for flanks to damage the otto cav coming in from the sides. brits are ok - ill post a brit build later

Originally Posted by terminator acheron

well i think the best way to beat otto is with good cav - ive seen lots go heavy on elite line but even if you beat off the jans you still have to deal with the nizam inf and cav - so against that build i would go napoleon / 4 swiss / 4 polish / 4 militia / 4 cuirasieers and 2 chasseurs and cheval. lights against otto are a bit of a waste of money on pyramids. and i wouldnt attack the hill - bringing jans your pretty much indicating your going to attack so i would move up slowly and wait you should also not put lines to close to each other a small gap makes it easier to reposition to shoot melleeing jans and room to send in your heavy cav to kill the mellee ottos - with napoleon close the jans will rout and then cav the otto line. the chasseurs are really only for flanks to damage the otto cav coming in from the sides. brits are ok - ill post a brit build later

sounds really good mate,i have found spreading out is the best way and letting them tire them selves out on lesser units while hitting the with strong musket units but in the end it all comes down to cav if you dont win the cav fight you cant hit the meleeing units from behind and they just roll over you.

on pyramids, the best thing to beat ottomans is probably the ottomans.and as terminator acheron says, cav is extremely crucial-it can cut down melee inf especially if you are able to charge from the back. having france for the cav is good.of course nizam just behind complicates this. lights and the range advantage will help, plus you can use them as meatshields of your own to get some nice shots off...and probably the final thing is art.some nicely positioned horse art on the flank will cause pretty epic morale drops, and you are more likely to be able to get this position, because the melee inf and line tend to hang around together to support each other.

Originally Posted by Y@$!N

on pyramids, the best thing to beat ottomans is probably the ottomans.and as terminator acheron says, cav is extremely crucial-it can cut down melee inf especially if you are able to charge from the back. having france for the cav is good.of course nizam just behind complicates this. lights and the range advantage will help, plus you can use them as meatshields of your own to get some nice shots off...and probably the final thing is art.some nicely positioned horse art on the flank will cause pretty epic morale drops, and you are more likely to be able to get this position, because the melee inf and line tend to hang around together to support each other.

Why didn't you do that during our match then?

oh art would do wonders accualy. one or two 12 lbrs on an elevated position should solve some problems as in the cav problem.

Well usually, if you knew the build in advance, you could counter it... but you never do because you kind of make assumptions... and this is what's so tough with Ottomans because they can go either way.
They can bring 6 cav with 2 camels; this will basically own every other cav and outmaneuver your infantry afterwards.
However, if you bring artillery in order to counter that, they just might have melee inf... which will overrun your guns easily.

because i realised after the match

Originally Posted by Y@$!N

because i realised after the match

I remember you said you wanted to choose Ottomans, but I chosen them first. I wish you still would have chosen them.

next match we play ill choose em...

Play as Prussia Y@$!N. Just giving you a heads up.

IMO, ottoman has the largest tactical choice.
They've got the melee inf, good heavy lancers, reasonable musketeer, extremely high cost performance gun cav, slightly better hussar class cav, nice camels, Azzars for sort of stake and gun unit, reasonable skim and so on.
Only thing they don't have is elite, and that's basically it.

Like daniu said, as they've got lots of choice, you can't go for build to counter one specific stratagy, so you have to go for general build (or hit your luck) which I think gives ottoman player good advantage.
It's a pity that many players stick to France/English/Prussians and don't play as Ottomans much even though Ottomans could bring as much chances of victory as those countries do