Is Extermination The Only Viable Solution For Pacification?

[Exarch]

and i don't just mean genocidal killing everyone of xyz racial/cultural group, root and stem; i mean exterminating the culture as well.

i offer as example, the Australian Aboriginals, the aztecs, the native americans, the pagan lithuanians, the welsh, with varying degrees of 'extermination', either genocidal or cultural.

i'm not endorsing genocide, but i am curious as to discuss whether or not this has been the most effective method of pacification for colonialism/hegemony?
Now of course, i'm pretty sure much of the extermination of the above was unintentional but when you have the occupying invader actively doing all they can to erase the natives' sense of identity (like the stolen generation) in favour of the occupiers' culture (like the christianisation of lithuania/the christianisation of south america), and you look at where all of the above groups are now....well can you really deny that extermination (cultural or genocidal) is the most effective form of pacification?

Discuss

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

It's definetley effective, like shooting people who steal office equipment and hanging him in the lobby. It's bound to teach the others a lesson, but it's inhumane to say the least.

[Exarch]

It's definetley effective, like shooting people who steal office equipment and hanging him in the lobby. It's bound to teach the others a lesson, but it's inhumane to say the least.

of course it's inhumane, i'm not discounting that;
genocide and brainwashing the remnants certainly seems to have worked admirably, almost akin to a game of M2:TW where u exterminate a different culture's city and send in ur priests/imams to convert.
which is basically the story of the colonial americas, north and south.

[SinerAthin]

Exterminating a people and (optionally) forcefully integregating the rest into your society is definately the most effective means of overcoming such conflicts.

However, it conflicts with modern day ethics and values.


Like Afghanistan, we have the power to do whatever we want, but still we try to gain the people's trust rather than going the easy way.


But total social cleansing is not the only way...

You can still accept them into your domain and hope that their culture will eventually melt into our own.

Risky, but far more noble.

[Eikki]

It used to be, but since nowadays invasions are to 'liberate' and not conquer its hardly appropriate for the invaders to slaughter the natives. Look at Afghanistan, all this trouble to this day probably could have been avoided if they had nuked the entire mountain range next to pakistan. But again, only lunatics would do that.

[wilpuri]

It used to be, but since nowadays invasions are to 'liberate' and not conquer its hardly appropriate for the invaders to slaughter the natives. Look at Afghanistan, all this trouble to this day probably could have been avoided if they had nuked the entire mountain range next to pakistan. But again, only lunatics would do that.

Well its equally crazy to go spreading freedom and democracy there, trying to build an Anglo-American-styled liberal democracy from scratch in what is essential a tribal and clan-based society. Which is what reveals it as a hoax. No one is that stupid.

[Sanguinary Guardian]

For me, it should be a type of "Final Solution". Never mind the fact that I believe that most soldiers would hesitate to shoot unarmed civilians (Unless they were brainwashed). It surely can be effective, but can also make already compliant populations turn against their conquerors. Sometimes, even fear is nothing compared to the wish for freedom and preservation of oneself.

[CiviC]

Indeed killing the whole population of a country guarantees you'll have no problem with any insurgency or crime in the territory. All will be very peacefull, imagine US with no human on the streets.

[Count of Montesano]

i'm not endorsing genocide, but i am curious as to discuss whether or not this has been the most effective method of pacification for colonialism/hegemony?

There are other examples where the native population were better assimiliated instead of exterminated. Quite a few of the British colonies such as India were actually well-run without mass slaughter. Canada's treatment of the First Peoples wasn't perfect but far less brutal than America's treatment, which in turn was far less brutal than what the conquistadores did.

Genocide also sets up major problems down the road. The Russian genocide in Afghanistan has led to a lot of problems now. The Irish genocide in the the 1600s led to major troubles in the 1900s.

[Azog 150]

The Irish genocide in the the 1600s led to major troubles in the 1900s.

That wasn't so much genocide as it was ethnic cleansing. Point still stands though.

[Phier]

There are other examples where the native population were better assimiliated instead of exterminated. Quite a few of the British colonies such as India were actually well-run without mass slaughter. Canada's treatment of the First Peoples wasn't perfect but far less brutal than America's treatment, which in turn was far less brutal than what the conquistadores did.

Genocide also sets up major problems down the road. The Russian genocide in Afghanistan has led to a lot of problems now. The Irish genocide in the the 1600s led to major troubles in the 1900s.

Britain lost India and EVERY time I go to Canada I hear are people ing about the Indians. In areas with a lot of Indian population they are basically hated for being welfare sponges and all around aholes (thats their assessment, I can't say anything like that first hand).

Genocide doesn't set up problems down the road, INCOMPLETE genocide sets up problems.

Is it the only way though? No, but the more alike the cultures are to start with the better it will go. Irish are 100% assimilated in the USA but they started as white and christian, so that made it much easier after a rough start.

[Exarch]

Genocide doesn't set up problems down the road, INCOMPLETE genocide sets up problems.
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there's the main crux of successful genocides;

ppl, look at the welsh today, hardly anyone speaks welsh language or know anything distinctly culturally welsh; the welsh are well integrated into british society today and they don't make too much trouble to the extent the ethnic irish or scots do.

[Thanatos]

ppl, look at the welsh today, hardly anyone speaks welsh language or know anything distinctly culturally welsh

Except for the Welsh.

[Azog 150]

there's the main crux of successful genocides;

ppl, look at the welsh today, hardly anyone speaks welsh language or know anything distinctly culturally welsh; the welsh are well integrated into british society today and they don't make too much trouble to the extent the ethnic irish or scots do.

Welsh is back on the rise. 21% of Welsh people now speak it, and all the road signs are translated to Welsh and most place names are still in Welsh (As opposed to Anglicised)- in North Wales at least

[MasterAdnin]

...no?

Adnan

[Thanatos]

Never.

[Col. Tartleton]

I can't think of anything more humane then slaughtering people...

[hellheaven1987]

To OP: Yes it is, do you expect dead men to complain anything??

[[Militant]]

If you eradicate a people/culture then they're more than likely not going to trouble you anymore, what with being dead and all.

[intel]

and i don't just mean genocidal killing everyone of xyz racial/cultural group, root and stem; i mean exterminating the culture as well.

i offer as example, the Australian Aboriginals, the aztecs, the native americans, the pagan lithuanians, the welsh, with varying degrees of 'extermination', either genocidal or cultural.

i'm not endorsing genocide, but i am curious as to discuss whether or not this has been the most effective method of pacification for colonialism/hegemony?
Now of course, i'm pretty sure much of the extermination of the above was unintentional but when you have the occupying invader actively doing all they can to erase the natives' sense of identity (like the stolen generation) in favour of the occupiers' culture (like the christianisation of lithuania/the christianisation of south america), and you look at where all of the above groups are now....well can you really deny that extermination (cultural or genocidal) is the most effective form of pacification?

Discuss

When was Pagan Lithuania culutrally exterminated? Who occupied Lithuania?

@ main question
No. Peaceful, unforced economic/cultural assimilation proved to be effective enough.