Even more Outraged...

[Removed_user_012521]

Ok get this:

BERLIN, Dec. 20 - German officials said Tuesday that they had released a Lebanese man jailed 19 years ago for killing an American Navy diver during the 1985 hijacking of a T.W.A. jetliner, an ordeal that shocked Americans during a tense 17-day standoff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/in...21germany.html



And this is waht that ass hole did:

On June 15, 1985 Hezballah Shi'ites brutally beat, tortured and then killed 23 year old Robert Dean Stethem as he was being held hostage aboard TWA 847 commercial airliner. Robert was on his way home after a tour of duty with the US Navy in the Middle East. The terrorists had hijacked the plane with 153 passengers in Athens Greece forcing the pilot to fly twice to Algiers and twice to Beirut during the 17 day siege. The hostages were released after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.
"When the plane was at the Beirut airport in Lebanon, Petty Officer Stethem was singled out because he was in the US military. After many hours of being cruelly beaten, tortured, and finally killed by the terrorists, they threw his body from the plane in a final disgraceful, cowardly act. The wounds were so terrible that his body had to be identified by its fingerprints.
Throughout the ordeal, Robert Stethem did not yield, and instead encouraged his fellow passengers to endure by his example. He was posthumously awarded the Purple Heart and Bronze Star for heroism and bravery. He is buried at Arlington Cemetery."
--Mark Crawford, Bryantown from "Who Was Robert Stethem"

http://www.geocities.com/americanmil...s/stethem.html




Can you believe those double-crossing German Ass holes? This is a disgrace and an insult. Not only did they not extradite him but they released him.

[RusskiSoldat]

I would be ****** off if it happenned to us, but America has done plenty of worse things so I will just sit back and laugh at you.

[Removed_user_012521]

We never beat, tortured, and murderd one of you nationals. Not for a long long long time if you cant think of one incident.

[danzig]

I would be ****** off if it happenned to us, but America has done plenty of worse things so I will just sit back and laugh at you.

Yeah but I think Germany wins the prize for 'worse thing' done if we are going to count past deeds......

We never beat, tortured, and murderd one of you nationals.

Germany didnt beat the soldier...they had nothing to do with that, they simply convicted the person who did and now has set him free in what was probably a deal to free the German hostage in Iraq. Not a real big deal though, a country's duty is to look after its own citizens so if trading a murderer for the life of a German was doable then certainly its justifed after all the terrorist didnt murder a German just a dumb American who would have become fat in these past 19 years or worse gone off on some war to kill peace loving muslim radicals...unless of course you are America which in case we arent allowed to. Im sure though this person has reformed and turned over a new leaf and will go on to become a great citizen of the world... :laughing: Of course people like this are a good reason to have the death penalty, 19 years for brutal murder is rather insulting. You know of course the rats on the forums will jump all over this post and detail every abuse, every mistake the US has made to 'counter' this one even though its basically irrelevent.

Sarcasm btw.

[Removed_user_012521]

Of course people like this are a good reason to have the death penalty, 19 years for brutal murder is rather insulting.

He was supposed to get life in prison, which I guess is why the US didn't make a big deal since he was getting a often used punishment for such brutality. But 19 ****ing years... How can you just release an enemy of the United States who brutaly tortured and murderd an american Naval personal if you are supposed ot be our Ally, Im sure that the men of the USS Stehtem will be in an uproar about this.

[Rapax]

Oh no, those nasty germans release someone after he's been 19 years in jail.
I'm sure some people from the CIA will pick him up soon and interrogate him somewhere...

[danzig]

Oh no, those nasty germans release someone after he's been 19 years in jail.
I'm sure some people from the CIA will pick him up soon and interrogate him somewhere...

And I hope they do Come on dont be a hypocrite and defend this, the guy had a life sentence and got out after 19 years and gee 4 days before a German hostage is released from Iraq! A bad act is a bad act regardless who is doing it. Some of us 'evil right wing americans' have attacked Bush for prison abuse scandal, for the allegation of moving people to countries to possibly be tortured etc so show equal amount of balls and call a spade a spade...this was a idiotic move on Germany's part. Anyone who attacks US flawed policy and defends this is quite frankly a hypocrite. Of course judging by past events, such as French soldiers opening fire on people in Ivory Coast and the muted response by the 'anti american' block on these forums it wont suprise me.

[Rapax]

And I hope they do Come on dont be a hypocrite and defend this, the guy had a life sentence and got out after 19 years and gee 4 days before a German hostage is released from Iraq!

Maybe you don't know it, but a "life sentence" in germany is not the same as in the US, it doesn't mean he's locked away for life, "life sentence" is the term for the longest possible prison term a person can get. We don't kill our prisoners, you know.
And some small timer kidnapping group in iraq couldn't care less about a terrorist that's been locked away for 19 years. Is that the same logic of the "global interconnected terror network"?

[Ó Cathasaigh]

So If I kill you, it's ok if i get out, just as long as I serve my full 19 years?

[Removed_user_012521]

Oh no, those nasty germans release someone after he's been 19 years in jail.
I'm sure some people from the CIA will pick him up soon and interrogate him somewhere...

19 years for a crime he should have got the death penalty for? The US already tried extraditing him from lebenan but that didnt work so he's safe as long as he stays there.


Makes you wonder the true nature of europeans...

[Last Roman]

So If I kill you, it's ok if i get out, just as long as I serve my full 19 years?

yes, he served his time (im not trying to justify his killing, which was terrible) but according to German law,he did his time. It is the same here in the US

[PyrrhusIV]

19 years is still a long time though. The Terrorists believe they are fighting their own war, just the same as we do. I see no americans serving 19 years. Go serve it, then lets talk

Edit: The true nature of Europeans? You are using gigantic generalization. In all truth, Europeans are friendly, great people, much better than the 90% of naive, mis-informed americans. Now, remember this is coming from an american.

[Sétanta]

gotta love them PC europeans

tsk tsk tsk

from nazis to pushovers

[danzig]

19 years is still a long time though. The Terrorists believe they are fighting their own war, just the same as we do. I see no americans serving 19 years. Go serve it, then lets talk

Though not nearly as long as his sentence of life in prison...

[PyrrhusIV]

In Lousiana they have black men who are 93 years old serving life in prison. Do you think there is not a limit to the sentence? In all fairness, the Terrorist was just following a certain sect of his culture, which luckily, is not the super-"we are the best"-Western attitude.

[Removed_user_012521]

19 years is still a long time though. The Terrorists believe they are fighting their own war, just the same as we do. I see no americans serving 19 years. Go serve it, then lets talk

Oh please! American criminals are serving dozens of life terms for killing one person, and this guy gets away with highjaking, torture, and murder? What the hell kind of deal is that. Why do you think germany would do something like that? Give me one good reason why they would/should.

[solid]

Makes you wonder the true nature of europeans...

You mean non-vengefull non-hatefull attitude as opposed to your hatefull vengefull one?

[danzig]

You mean non-vengefull non-hatefull attitude as opposed to your hatefull vengefull one?

Yeah cause expecting someone who hijacked a plane, killed a passenger to serve the sentence he was given is clearly being 'vengeful' and hateful.

Good grief - we have our laws and you have yours. Now leave us be!

Why? An American farts in public and it sparks a 100 post thread on these forums...I think examining German law and its utter failure is certainly a valid topic dont you?

In Lousiana they have black men who are 93 years old serving life in prison. Do you think there is not a limit to the sentence? In all fairness, the Terrorist was just following a certain sect of his culture, which luckily, is not the super-"we are the best"-Western attitude.

So hijacking planes and murdering people on board is cultural thing now? Fairness to a terrorist, how european.....

[PyrrhusIV]

If you think Germany hates us, then your just like the rest of them Evan_kikla. Yes, he got away with it. Let us hypothesize that Germany did do it to gain back a prisoner in Iraq or the Middle East.

THE IRAQ WAR IS AMERICAS ISSUE!

Lords sake, Americans should be thankful for all of the materials, soldiers, supplies, funds etc that Europe has helped in the War in Iraq. If germany wants their people back, America shouldnt be bossing germany around. Germany is none of america's business.

Edit: "So hijacking planes and murdering people on board is cultural thing now? Fairness to a terrorist, how european....."

I live in America.

[danzig]

If you think Germany hates us, then your just like the rest of them Evan_kikla. Yes, he got away with it. Let us hypothesize that Germany did do it to gain back a prisoner in Iraq or the Middle East.

THE IRAQ WAR IS AMERICAS ISSUE!

Lords sake, Americans should be thankful for all of the materials, soldiers, supplies, funds etc that Europe has helped in the War in Iraq. If germany wants their people back, America shouldnt be bossing germany around. Germany is none of america's business.

Then why is American's business everyone's business? If German is free to do what it likes and mind you I agree, Germany should look out for its own interest above all but when the US does it it provokes outrage for idiotic actions by the current admin but when Germany does it they should get a pass? As I said I have no real problem with this action what I have problems with it people who defend this but yet attack some US actions.