Hoplites

[Tidybeard]

Is it me, or are hoplites *the* best infantry you can come across in RTW?

I've been playing as Carthage and had the most awful trouble getting around the Greeks' infantry, the only way is to basically outnumber them, particularly with cavalry. Started a campaign as Macedon and found their hoplites are awesome to use. Also I think Militia hoplites are the best unit in the game, aesthetically speaking of course.

Thoughts? Apart from the fact I've sunk a few beers and am talking gibberish, do you folks agree?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

You have not seen urbans, have you?

[empr guy]

i dont think he has.

although they probably take a while to come around in campaign. Still, hoplites shouldnt be too much trouble, pin their front and hit them from behind and your good. especially since carthage has its own good infantry (late game at least), mainly sacred band though, they tear up.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Nah, pikes>hoplites in campaign. The AI doesn't turn guard mode off, so they get slaughtered.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

armoured hoplites and sacred band hoplites are some of the best phalanx units in the game (ignoring spartans because they're not cost efficient). They can chew through any other pike/hoplite unit if they have guard mode off and are in dense blocks.

however, urbans will pretty much slaughter any infantry unit in a straight up brawl

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

armoured hoplites and sacred band hoplites are some of the best phalanx units in the game (ignoring spartans because they're not cost efficient). They can chew through any other pike/hoplite unit if they have guard mode off and are in dense blocks.

however, urbans will pretty much slaughter any infantry unit in a straight up brawl

You see, I said IN THE ING CAMPAIGN, where the AI never turns guard mode off. The hoplites just stand and get slaughtered.

Mp is something completely different.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

You see, I said IN THE ING CAMPAIGN, where the AI never turns guard mode off. The hoplites just stand and get slaughtered.

Mp is something completely different.

my replies were not directed at you. there's nothing you said I wouldnt disagree with

[Entropy Judge]

there's nothing you said I wouldnt disagree with

Er ... so you don't agree with anything he said?

[Derrabe]

Hoplites are immobile. Outmaneuver them and its over.

[|Sith| Max]

The ones on the side of the phalanx as he says are actually called Hypaspistai and they could wear swords or spears, not like the sarissa though. That documentary is very inaccurate. Isarus is wrong it is Darius. And their sword was the kopis like the cavalry used, a greek weapon.

And to all others saying hoplites are better than sarissa armed pikemen that is wrong, at Chaeroneia Alexander and Phillip won the battle over Athens and Thebes much because of the longer sarissa.

That documentary was made by an American officer. American officers are old people, and most of the time, american old people are conservatives who do not care enough about the world to do their research. Do not even get me started on the majority of their public schools.

Now get back to the history channel and stop comparing video games to real life before someone Greece VS Thrace's your ass. Armored hoplites and Co rape the out of any phalangites and you are giving new players bad ideas.

I only use the heavy metal part, it's be illegal for me to drink

Your country's laws are fail

Hoplites are immobile. Outmaneuver them and its over.

Hm, Why do i get a Deja Vu Feeling...

Hoplites are immobile. Outmaneuver them and its over.

Hm, Why do i get a Deja Vu Feeling...

[nhinhonhinho]

Dunno but Silver Shield (Foot Companion) can defeat Spartan Hoplite (Armor Hoplite, Sacred Band) in 1 vs 1 battlethanks for their longer pike and larger number

Basically the best way to defeat phalanx formation is outnumber them

[Chris Death]

Dunno but Silver Shield (Foot Companion) can defeat Spartan Hoplite (Armor Hoplite, Sacred Band) in 1 vs 1 battlethanks for their longer pike and larger number

Basically the best way to defeat phalanx formation is outnumber them

errm - no and no

SS < those three hoplites

and

outnumbering is not a tactic to defeat phalanx unless you are surrounding a max of 2 phalanx
units

~S~CD

[|Sith| Max]

Silver Shields can defeat Spartan Hoplite (Armor Hoplite, Sacred Band) in 1 vs 1 battle thanks for their longer pike and larger number

you nearly gave me a aneurysm caused by an allergic reaction to A-Grade BS

[Chris Death]

you nearly gave me a aneurysm caused by an allergic reaction to A-Grade BS

I think you got a thread in the mp forum for statements such like the one you quoted.

~S~ CD

[nhinhonhinho]

Militia Hoplites can conquer the West (not Eastern HA). That is what i thought

The "best" to me is basic HA.

Urban is great but in campaign they're come very late and hard to retrain

you nearly gave me a aneurysm caused by an allergic reaction to A-Grade BS

LOL! Of course I know AH (Armor Hoplites) can devastate any sarissa unit. Honestly i'm surprise about that too! Maybe because I am the one who using Pikeman so i can defeat AI AH

[Genius of the Restoration]

Silver Shield Pikes would lose against both Armoured Hoplites and Sacred Bands in an equal fight. The superior defence of the spear hoplites compared to the sarissa-wielding pikemen makes a big difference.

I like phalanx units a lot though. Levy Pikes are a favourite of mine.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

SS pikes are only superior to phalanx pikemen and are = to bronze shield pikemen.

They're so weak compared to royal pikes that even if you put them in a solid square block with guardmode off, they'll still get the pulp beaten out of them by royal pikes in a long, rectangular block.

[elite_commando]

SS pikes are only superior to phalanx pikemen and are = to bronze shield pikemen.

They're so weak compared to royal pikes that even if you put them in a solid square block with guardmode off, they'll still get the pulp beaten out of them by royal pikes in a long, rectangular block.

well u are unfairly comparing the SS pikes, remember they have long spears attribute, as do the royal pikes and bronze shields, the stats for all 3 are pretty much the same afaik, whereas if u have them face off against a hoplite unit, they have the advantage in those long spears and in numbers

[Genius of the Restoration]

The long spears don't really help them enough in the spear to pike fight though. You're right that SS Pikes have the same stats as Bronze Shields, while Royals have the large shield, which makes them much better that the other two. Even with the pikemen's increased numbers and length of the spears, the elite hoplite phalanxes will still beat their pike brethren.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

long spears and numbers do nothing. nothing when pikes go against elite hoplties. only royal pikemen can put up a semblance of a fight because they have larger shields and superior stats.

AND
levy pikemen < normal pikemen < SS pikes = BS pikes <<<<<<< Royal Pikemen < Armoured hoplites < sacred band hoplites < spartan hoplites

I'm not even sure if i should put spartans there because they have less defense than armoured and sacred band hops. they only have higher attack and 2hp that make them somewhat special.