Wait? WHAT?

[Jezza93]

Well basically...
Minas Tirith under siege,I have 2700 men against a total Morder force of 7000/8000. I decide to deploy all my men to the keep...
First of all.
The Orc raiders with their ram walked through the wall next to the outer walls gate...
Second of all.
TROLLS CAN CLIMB THIN WOODEN LADDERS...WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But seriously in the confined spaces of a wall a troll completely dominates,more so than usual in fact,also the cave trolls are far too tough,their attack is perfect but their defence is ridiculous,if their were fewer per unit,fine but 12 cave trolls are far too hard to defeat without bastilla and archer support.

[Argeleb]

Trolls are Infantry->they can climb ladders

[fackers]

lol are you in the campaing, if you are playing the campaing how that hell mordor siege your city.

[Jean=A=Luc]

...too hard to defeat without bastilla and archer support.

Yes, her battle meditation would sure come in handy.

But in all seriousness and as already mentioned trolls are classified as infantry in the game's code just like orcs and the rest so all the same rules apply to them as well. It's unfortunate but it's something players need to deal with. It's not impossible or anything, just kinda hard.

If you want find the entry for trolls in the export_descr_unit.txt (in the Data folder) and lower their soldier count (the green number):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type Mountain Trolls
dictionary Mountain_Trolls ; Mountain Trolls
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier mountain_trolls, 5, 0, 60.0
mount_effect elephant -2
attributes sea_faring, can_withdraw, frighten_foot, hardy
move_speed_mod 0.9
formation 4.0, 4.0, 7.0, 7.0, 1, horde
stat_health 4, 3
stat_pri 29, 12, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area, launching
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 21, 0, flesh
;stat_pri_armour 15, 20, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, -1, -2, -1
stat_mental 20, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 1200, 450, 100, 100, 1200, 1, 400
armour_ug_levels 1, 2
armour_ug_models mountain_trolls, mountain_trolls_upg
ownership england, portugal
era 0 england, portugal
era 1 england, portugal
era 2 england, portugal
recruit_priority_offset 15

[Jezza93]

Yes, her battle meditation would sure come in handy.

But in all seriousness and as already mentioned trolls are classified as infantry in the game's code just like orcs and the rest so all the same rules apply to them as well. It's unfortunate but it's something players need to deal with. It's not impossible or anything, just kinda hard.

If you want find the entry for trolls in the export_descr_unit.txt (in the Data folder) and lower their soldier count (the green number):

thanks.
They are the one thing which break my lines and turn the tide of the battle,Im constantly on the defensive and have my spearmen holding the line in siege battles,then the trolls come on up.

[Heart of Madness]

Yes, her battle meditation would sure come in handy.

But in all seriousness and as already mentioned trolls are classified as infantry in the game's code just like orcs and the rest so all the same rules apply to them as well. It's unfortunate but it's something players need to deal with. It's not impossible or anything, just kinda hard.

If you want find the entry for trolls in the export_descr_unit.txt (in the Data folder) and lower their soldier count (the green number):

xD +rep

[fackers]

he is right i am in turn 20 and i all ready destroy mordor and now i got 4 harad lol.
in turn 2 i all ready capture W. Osgiliath and in turn 3 i get E. osgiliath lol then i just protect the path 2 mordor and wait 4 the Ballista unit 2 take Minas Morgul and y dont use any cheats

xD +rep

[Baywatch]

he is right i am in turn 20 and i all ready destroy mordor and now i got 4 harad lol.
in turn 2 i all ready capture W. Osgiliath and in turn 3 i get E. osgiliath lol then i just protect the path 2 mordor and wait 4 the Ballista unit 2 take Minas Morgul and y dont use any cheats

Wow, at least try to make your posts somewhat readable.

[fackers]

sorry i dont speak inglish so is goggle fault

Wow, at least try to make your posts somewhat readable.

[Jean=A=Luc]

You should never fight them on walls anyway unless you're playing dwarves.

[Jezza93]

You should never fight them on walls anyway unless you're playing dwarves.

Well oddly enough I didnt have much choice, it was either that or let them in through the front gate.

[Moneybags14]

A single unit of spearman can beat trolls... which costs 1/4 of their cost...

[Santeri]

And which spearman unit we are talking about?

[Moneybags14]

Any spearmen really. Just try it out in custom battle urself. When the trolls get surrounded they fall like flies

[Elitewolf]

Any spearmen really. Just try it out in custom battle urself. When the trolls get surrounded they fall like flies

Seconded. I used my woodsmen militia archers for this when playing as Dale. They'd lose a few guys, but it'd make the trolls worthless: Those trolls would fight my woodsmen, which are pretty much free, allowing the rest of my army (especially the tougher units) to murder the orcs.

If I remember correctly, the math behind this was that trolls have 7 armor and 20+defense skill, and defense skill doesn't apply when attacked from behind. And a defence of 7 is less then some militia's, so they'll go down pretty quickly.

[JorisofHolland]

Seconded. I used my woodsmen militia archers for this when playing as Dale. They'd lose a few guys, but it'd make the trolls worthless: Those trolls would fight my woodsmen, which are pretty much free, allowing the rest of my army (especially the tougher units) to murder the orcs.

If I remember correctly, the math behind this was that trolls have 7 armor and 20+defense skill, and defense skill doesn't apply when attacked from behind. And a defence of 7 is less then some militia's, so they'll go down pretty quickly.

Keep your archers firing and the trolls will go down even faster, for against ranged attacks also only armour counts, and from up close even your crappy woodsmen won't miss it.

[Elitewolf]

Keep your archers firing and the trolls will go down even faster, for against ranged attacks also only armour counts, and from up close even your crappy woodsmen won't miss it.

No mean things aobut my woodsmen! My favorite unit :p

If I fire into trolls melee-ing with my militia, I tend to kill more of my own then the trolls. Which is against the whole keeping-them-busy tactic

[Baywatch]

No mean things aobut my woodsmen! My favorite unit :p

If I fire into trolls melee-ing with my militia, I tend to kill more of my own then the trolls. Which is against the whole keeping-them-busy tactic

But, that's the great thing about militia isn't it? Who cares how many you kill?

[Muffer Nl]

Also remember that a Trolls greatest assest is it's health. They will fight for a long time nut once the first one dies the rest follows within a fifth of the time you already spent fighting them.

It's a bit like those pokemon fans at school, once one of them quits they all quit.

[SinerAthin]

If Mordor sieges your towns, you know you're doing something wrong.

Gather all your generals.

Amass a massive, cavalry force consisting out of your generals, backed up by plenty and numerous cheap militia to use as fillers. They're extremely ecenomical(and the only thing available to you in the first turns), and you need them to occupy settlements where Extermination just isn't enough.

Generals are super units and self replenishing, so let them do the dying if necessary, and your army will automatically replenish after each turn and battle.

And then you need to charge forth against Mordor. Their orcs are useless and their trolls are brought down easily enough in the open field if you can make them exhaust themselves by harassing them with cavalry before they reach your army, and then just charge 'em from behind.
Oh, and I notice they die much more easily if you soften them up with arrows.

Also, remember that Mordor has magical stacks appearing for no reason. Expect a stack to appear at Minas Morgul when your main army may be as far as the Black Gate, Barad Dur, or even earlier.

And try to be fast... if they get an invasion stack to Edoras, you can be sure that it's going to come back to siege Minas Tirith while your whole army is away destroying Mordor and holding back Harad.
But don't worry, if they DO capture Minas Tirith, just find an easy army to siege the town and let the Orcs starve inside. They've got no reinforcements, no supply lines. Let it be their Stalingard.

Hope it helped. The best way to counter Trolls is to strike at Mordor before they can produce them. xD