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    A pretty basic question. Most happened in the late 1700's and after WWI. The question is if they're still possible.

    Pretty much every country in the world has a military that easily quells most everything, but would they be able to stop a revolution?

    My answer to this is that, for most countries, it would be near impossible to accomplish. A good two thirds of the population would have to support it, and then there's still the army of a nation to overcome, with their opponents being people without guns, the ones with hunting rifles are the lucky ones.

    Though I'd imagine it could happen in some Third-World countries, since the resistance would have near the same equipment. Plus they'd likely have the fervor on their side.

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    There were several large scale protests and uprisings in 2000's which brought about the downfall of the regime, and some caused civil wars which still last.

    The last one was quite recently, In Kyrgistan.

    In developed democracies the revolution happens when government falls and premature elections are forced. Revolutions which lead to armed conflict happen only in undemocratic countries governed by dictator or certain elite.

    So revolutions are possible and will happen always somewhere. But not in developed democracies, where change of government is done by legal means, without illegal opposition from ruling party, and without involving military. Of course it is possible, but extremely unlikely.

    But concerning military, revolutions never worked if people fought military. No, revolution is possible only if military or part of it joins the revolution. That's why it's completely irrelevant what kind of army, and how technologically advanced it is. Every revolution must have backing of the army, or at least make sure that army does not intervene.
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    Well, as I said, it would be possible in third-world countries. Though Kyrgistan may not be entirely third-world, I have read that it is a relatively poor country, which would somewhat complete the terms of countries that could have a revolution, in my opinion.

    "Despite the backing of major Western lenders, including the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank, Kyrgyzstan has had economic difficulties following independence. Kyrgyzstan ranks as the second poorest country in Central Asia. Initially, these were a result of the breakup of the Soviet trading bloc and resulting loss of markets, which impeded the republic's transition to a free market economy.
    The government has reduced expenditures, ended most price subsidies and introduced a value-added tax. Overall, the government appears committed to the transition to a market economy. Through economic stabilization and reform, the government seeks to establish a pattern of long-term consistent growth. Reforms led to Kyrgyzstan's accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO) on 20 December 1998.
    The Kyrgyz economy was severely affected by the collapse of the Soviet Union and the resulting loss of its vast market. In 1990, some 98% of Kyrgyz exports went to other parts of the Soviet Union. Thus, the nation's economic performance in the early 1990s was worse than any other former Soviet republic except war-torn Armenia, Azerbaijan and Tajikistan, as factories and state farms collapsed with the disappearance of their traditional markets in the former Soviet Union. While economic performance has improved considerably in the last few years, and particularly since 1998, difficulties remain in securing adequate fiscal revenues and providing an adequate social safety net. According to Russia's Uralsib investment bank, around 800,000 Kyrgyz migrant workers are in Russia, making up 40% of the Central Asian state's GDP.[56] The return of up to 300,000 Kyrgyz labor migrants from Russia and Kazakhstan has the potential to trigger a wave social unrest."

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    Did you forget the colonial revolutions that lasted until the 1990s? (South Africa being one of the last).
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    I only posted a few minor examples...
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    was meant for the OP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    was meant for the OP...
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    or the colour revolutions which are allegedly instigated by the CIA?

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    Well, let's change the topic somewhat. Are Revolutions still possible in great powers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikolaTesla View Post
    Well, let's change the topic somewhat. Are Revolutions still possible in great powers?
    If the militairy of China shall join the rebellion, then it shall be inevitable. China counts as a great power, right?
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    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NikolaTesla View Post
    Well, let's change the topic somewhat. Are Revolutions still possible in great powers?
    In European or North American Liberal Democracies? Highly unlikely

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    In modern democratic countries like the West bloody revolutions can be replaced by bloodless elections. Just elect a new party and see what it goes.
    On the other hand, I'm still expecting the North Korean Revolution.
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    Is the tea party movement not a revolution?

    Oh wait, you have this idea that revolutions only have guns and/or guillotines à la Cuba and the French revolution.

    There are ideological revolutions ongoing around the world all the time.
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    Are Revolutions still possible?
    They are always possible.
    Are Revolutions still necessary?
    Kant's Copernican Revolution is very necessary anywhere anytime.
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    Ok, what I want to know, and I think the thread creator two, would a revolution be possible in countries like America, UK, and Australia. I know in US, it is in their constitution (or Dec of Independence, I can't remember) for them to have the right to take arms and overthrow the government if the government isn't doing its job. So in more similar countries like the UK and Australia, could we have a revolution?
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    Well, a natural right on resistence is included in most forms of philosophies of the natural law. I think even in Th. Hobbes' Leviathan. It should answer the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by MentshmitT View Post
    They are always possible.
    Kant's Copernican Revolution is very necessary anywhere anytime.
    Revolution should be interpreted now as language critic, a revolution that unchains mind and language from metaphyisical stereotypes.
    Last edited by Molly Norris; October 31, 2010 at 01:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly Norris View Post
    Well, a natural right on resistence is included in most forms of philosophies of the natural law.
    Any democracy is in a permanent state of revolution because there are elections. Elections can be considered regulated revolutions.
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    Yes, and you maybe shocked to know where the next ones will be.

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    I am not shocked. I like people and hate wrong ideas and grammatical mistakes, especially my own ones.
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