Removing Secondary Weapons and Fire by Rank

[Vanderdecken]

By the assistance of Ishan, who I thank many time over for his seemingly endless wisdom on all things Medieval II related, I have started this thread.

[Ishan]

Oh the thing he wants is remove fire by rank thing in gun units and and remove secondary weapon that pikemen carry that is sword.
I'm a bit tired now but in the morning i'll attend to it and tell you in detail on how to do it.

[Silverheart]

I´m looking forward to this.
I´ve been annoyed by the performance of Pike- and Gunmen for a long time ^::^

[... where did it run?]

Same. But this should make portugal late armies quite scary.

Last time then I tried to remove fire by rank atribute my game stuck..

[Vanderdecken]

Same. But this should make portugal late armies quite scary.

Last time then I tried to remove fire by rank atribute my game stuck..

One more thing. Could the same thing be done with halbreds?

[Dwaine]

I don't really understand ...
You want pikemen to have only long pike when fighting ? And have musket men as deadly as riflemen (I mean they don't rotate and wait, wait, wait) ?
If yes click on the spoiler :

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

for secondary weapons :

in export_descr_unit.txt remove the secondary weapon, exemple :

type             Igunisis Pike
dictionary       Igunisis_Pike                      ; Igunisis Pike
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_spear
banner holy      crusade
soldier          igunisis_pike_1, 80, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, pike, frighten_mounted
move_speed_mod     0.85
formation        0.9, 0.3, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         11, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr    spear, long_pike, spear_bonus_12
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  6, 6, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   8, 9, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        6
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental      12, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 515, 340, 105, 80, 810, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 2, 3
armour_ug_models igunisis_pike_1, igunisis_pike_2, igunisis_pike_3, igunisis_pike_4
ownership        venice
era 0            venice
era 1            venice
era 2            venice
;unit_info        11, 0, 12
recruit_priority_offset    15

The red lines means no secondary weapons.



For the fire_by_rank remove in the attributes line, if you have correct animations, you'll have deadly musketeers, for the exemple here, an army of 1K musket can beat a 5K army of imperial knight at foot :

type             Igunisis Musketeers
dictionary       Igunisis_Musketeers      ; Igunisis Musketeers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Light
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          igunisis_musketeers_1, 40, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, very_hardy, can_withdraw, gunpowder_unit, fire_by_rank, stakes, command, cannot_skirmish
formation        0.1, 0.2, 1.2, 1.2, 2, square, shield_wall
stat_health      2, 0
stat_pri         21, 1, musket_bullet, 200, 60, missile, missile_gunpowder, piercing, none, musket_shot_set, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 20
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         9, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 0.3
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  3, 7, 0, flesh
;stat_armour_ex   0, 2, 0, 0, 5, 0, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental      17, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 960, 120, 35, 40, 960, 4, 250
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 2, 3
armour_ug_models igunisis_musketeers_1, igunisis_musketeers_2, igunisis_musketeers_3, igunisis_musketeers_4
ownership        venice
era 0            venice
era 1            venice
era 2            venice
;unit_info        12, 17, 14
recruit_priority_offset    40

[Vanderdecken]

I don't really understand ...
You want pikemen to have only long pike when fighting ? And have musket men as deadly as riflemen (I mean they don't rotate and wait, wait, wait) ?
If yes click on the spoiler :

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

for secondary weapons :

in export_descr_unit.txt remove the secondary weapon, exemple :

type             Igunisis Pike
dictionary       Igunisis_Pike                      ; Igunisis Pike
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_spear
banner holy      crusade
soldier          igunisis_pike_1, 80, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, pike, frighten_mounted
move_speed_mod     0.85
formation        0.9, 0.3, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         11, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr    spear, long_pike, spear_bonus_12
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  6, 6, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   8, 9, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        6
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental      12, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 515, 340, 105, 80, 810, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 2, 3
armour_ug_models igunisis_pike_1, igunisis_pike_2, igunisis_pike_3, igunisis_pike_4
ownership        venice
era 0            venice
era 1            venice
era 2            venice
;unit_info        11, 0, 12
recruit_priority_offset    15

The red lines means no secondary weapons.



For the fire_by_rank remove in the attributes line, if you have correct animations, you'll have deadly musketeers, for the exemple here, an army of 1K musket can beat a 5K army of imperial knight at foot :

type             Igunisis Musketeers
dictionary       Igunisis_Musketeers      ; Igunisis Musketeers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Light
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          igunisis_musketeers_1, 40, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, very_hardy, can_withdraw, gunpowder_unit, fire_by_rank, stakes, command, cannot_skirmish
formation        0.1, 0.2, 1.2, 1.2, 2, square, shield_wall
stat_health      2, 0
stat_pri         21, 1, musket_bullet, 200, 60, missile, missile_gunpowder, piercing, none, musket_shot_set, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 20
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         9, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 0.3
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  3, 7, 0, flesh
;stat_armour_ex   0, 2, 0, 0, 5, 0, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental      17, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 960, 120, 35, 40, 960, 4, 250
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 2, 3
armour_ug_models igunisis_musketeers_1, igunisis_musketeers_2, igunisis_musketeers_3, igunisis_musketeers_4
ownership        venice
era 0            venice
era 1            venice
era 2            venice
;unit_info        12, 17, 14
recruit_priority_offset    40

Thanks a lot. You have really helped. I might even play as Scotland now.

[Ishan]

Yes i think that's the thing they wanted Dwaine thanks to taking care of it.

Another thing is since you guys are new to modding then you first need to unpack the game first in order to make there changes on to the export_descr_unit.txt file.

To unpack Read this awesome and simple tutorial.

After unpacking is done you make the changes illustrated by Dwaine.

If you have any problems in doing it then ask here again.

[Dwaine]

Ok, so the animations I'm talking about are in the banzai animations pack. Kingdoms is ( I think ) required, musketeers become DEADLy, I mean something really big ! If further help is needed, PM me

[... where did it run?]

Concerning the secondary weapon. I have some kind of additional line:

stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no

What to do with it? or leave it as it is?

And yes, I still get CTD each time I start costum battle.

[Moon]

Concerning the secondary weapon. I have some kind of additional line:

stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no

What to do with it? or leave it as it is?

And yes, I still get CTD each time I start costum battle.

As you can see it is commented out so it will not be read by the game engine. If you do the same to the two red highlighted lines it is the same as deleting them, it's much simpler to comment them out rather than to delete as reverting back is made simpler.

[Gigantus]

They line is 'commented out' - when a semi colon is put at the the beginning of a line, it is either a comment or\and is not intended to be processed.

; this is a comment because of the semi colon
this will be processed as data input

[Dwaine]

Huh ? What's wrong with halberd ?
I mean, I just tested swiss guard, janissary inf, and halberd miltia, thay don't switch weapons, where is the problem ?

[Eothese]

Lol, the three you tested use Halberd Primary and Halberd Secondary, or just Secondary in the case of janissary hvy. So in the case of the other two, they do switch weapons, you just dont see it. Halberd Primary is the anim set that's similar to Pike, just shorter strike distances, Halberd Secondary is more like the 2H_Axe.

So the answer is yes the same can be done for halberds, but you may need to change the battle_models.modeldb enty to 20 MTW2_Halberd_Primary in some case's.

[Vanderdecken]

Lol, the three you tested use Halberd Primary and Halberd Secondary, or just Secondary in the case of janissary hvy. So in the case of the other two, they do switch weapons, you just dont see it. Halberd Primary is the anim set that's similar to Pike, just shorter strike distances, Halberd Secondary is more like the 2H_Axe.

So the answer is yes the same can be done for halberds, but you may need to change the battle_models.modeldb enty to 20 MTW2_Halberd_Primary in some case's.

With an answer like that, who can argue? I knew there was something diffrent about their weapons, I just couldn't place my finger on it. Thank you