Too Wise gets me irritated. but Laziness irritates me more.

[IvanIV]

after playing for some time, i have seen that most leaders even the pope gains the title "The Wise"... i'm quite irritated. all my leaders have this title.

[Ishan]

So you are irritated but what you want to do?
Remove it? alter it in anyway what?

Come on Man we need more....

[Meneth]

Well, there is quite a few "The Wise" triggers:

Trigger WiseAdministrator_add_1
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait WideTraitSet = 0
       and HasAncType Academic
       and Trait GoodAdministrator >= 0
       and Trait GoodBuilder >= 0
       and Trait ExpensiveTastes = 0

 Affects WiseAdministrator 1 Chance 40

;------------------------------------------
Trigger WiseAdministrator_add_2
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait WideTraitSet = 0
       and Trait GoodBuilder >= 0
       and not HasAncType Academic
       and Trait GoodAdministrator >= 0
       and Trait ExpensiveTastes = 0

 Affects WiseAdministrator 1 Chance 20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger WiseAdministrator_add_3
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait WideTraitSet = 0
       and HasAncType Academic
       and Trait BadAdministrator = 0
       and Trait ExpensiveTastes = 0

 Affects WiseAdministrator 1 Chance 10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger WiseAdministrator_add_4
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait WideTraitSet = 0
       and not HasAncType Academic
       and Trait BadAdministrator = 0
       and Trait ExpensiveTastes = 0

 Affects WiseAdministrator 1 Chance 3

Maybe if the chances were decreased and/or the first two triggers set to require GoodAdmin > 0 it'd help.

[IvanIV]

So you are irritated but what you want to do?
Remove it? alter it in anyway what?

Come on Man we need more....

hahaha, it's just that i miss the titles "the wrathful", "the honourable", "the cruel", the tyrant"

i just don't want to have a dynasty that has all its ruler a wise one. its not too realistic.

remember my spanish kings in vanilla? i want to develop a similar kingdom with stainless steal.

[RyuNoKami]

hahaha, it's just that i miss the titles "the wrathful", "the honourable", "the cruel", the tyrant"

i just don't want to have a dynasty that has all its ruler a wise one. its not too realistic.

remember my spanish kings in vanilla? i want to develop a similar kingdom with stainless steal.

i got a lot of "the chivalrous." And I would say that is pretty spot on since chivalry really only applied to the nobility. xD

The Wise epithet should come with the hates nobility trait.

[RabidSheepLegion]

hahaha, it's just that i miss the titles "the wrathful", "the honourable", "the cruel", the tyrant"

i just don't want to have a dynasty that has all its ruler a wise one. its not too realistic.

remember my spanish kings in vanilla? i want to develop a similar kingdom with stainless steal.

steel GRAMMAR NAZI FTW!

[Tears of Destiny]

My advice? Stop using tactics that you keep using.

It sounds like you keep doing the same strategy from ruler to ruler, and thus keep getting roughly the same traits.

I remember my first Teutonic Campaign every single ruler received "The Tyrant" due to my strategies. I was rather irritated, until I realized that I kept triggering the same things over and over again due to sacking absolutely everything in sight, or exterminating settlements if they were Pagan, etc.

Though I DO agree that there are too many triggers for "The Wise"
And why is there not a trigger for "Unwise" or "The strange?" Thinking of a few english king hahahah, I like that one gy "The Strange" ahhaahah.

[IvanIV]

My advice? Stop using tactics that you keep using.

It sounds like you keep doing the same strategy from ruler to ruler, and thus keep getting roughly the same traits.

I remember my first Teutonic Campaign every single ruler received "The Tyrant" due to my strategies. I was rather irritated, until I realized that I kept triggering the same things over and over again due to sacking absolutely everything in sight, or exterminating settlements if they were Pagan, etc.

Though I DO agree that there are too many triggers for "The Wise"
And why is there not a trigger for "Unwise" or "The strange?" Thinking of a few english king hahahah, I like that one gy "The Strange" ahhaahah.

actually. right after the death of the Faction leader, and the heir claims the throne. the new king gets the title "the Wise" the next turn.. i haven't done anything yet and still every faction leader gets the title "The wise" which is quite irritating. even the prince with "the lazy" title gets "the wise" title soon after he claims the throne.

[Tears of Destiny]

actually. right after the death of the Faction leader, and the heir claims the throne. the new king gets the title "the Wise" the next turn.. i haven't done anything yet and still every faction leader gets the title "The wise" which is quite irritating. even the prince with "the lazy" title gets "the wise" title soon after he claims the throne.

Bizarre, utterly bizarre.

Unsure what to think about that. I have done similar things but with "Saintly" due to the massive chivalry my Crusaders and French get, but triggering Wise that fast, I guess you just have a kingdom of wise men!

[IvanIV]

Bizarre, utterly bizarre.

Unsure what to think about that. I have done similar things but with "Saintly" due to the massive chivalry my Crusaders and French get, but triggering Wise that fast, I guess you just have a kingdom of wise men!

not just my kingdom, but most of the leaders in the game, even 3 from the 4 popes have this "the wise" title

[k/t]

What year is it? Maybe you reached the Enlightenment.

[IvanIV]

What year is it? Maybe you reached the Enlightenment.

playing early 2tpy, French campaign. i'm only in 1150's.. and i had 3 kings with "the wise" title.. 4 popes 3 from france and these three have "the wise" title... the Genoese, Leonese, Aragonese, Norwegian, Danish, Sicilian leaders also possess the same title.

[WelshDragon]

King Peter the Unwise...

That's one I'd like to see.

[Meneth]

My advice? Stop using tactics that you keep using.

It sounds like you keep doing the same strategy from ruler to ruler, and thus keep getting roughly the same traits.

I remember my first Teutonic Campaign every single ruler received "The Tyrant" due to my strategies. I was rather irritated, until I realized that I kept triggering the same things over and over again due to sacking absolutely everything in sight, or exterminating settlements if they were Pagan, etc.

Though I DO agree that there are too many triggers for "The Wise"
And why is there not a trigger for "Unwise" or "The strange?" Thinking of a few english king hahahah, I like that one gy "The Strange" ahhaahah.

Actually, if you look at the triggers, "the Wise" is pretty hard to avoid, unless you're really good at making your generals get BadAdministrator and/or BadBuilder.

Got the same issue here. 2/3 of my Kings get that title. (Just like the Oedipus Complex ).

Is the Ødipus Complex too common? I could tune it down some.

Do I understand this right, changing those values at the end of the triggers from 40, 20, 10, and 3 to e. g. 20, 10, 3 and 1 would lead to less wise leaders?

Yup. Each number is the chance, in percent, of the trait being added if all the conditions listed are fulfilled.

playing early 2tpy, French campaign. i'm only in 1150's.. and i had 3 kings with "the wise" title.. 4 popes 3 from france and these three have "the wise" title... the Genoese, Leonese, Aragonese, Norwegian, Danish, Sicilian leaders also possess the same title.

Pretty sure k/t is just messing with you

[Ottheinrich]

Is the Ødipus Complex too common? I could tune it down some.

I do get it quite often, but it doesn't really bother me.

Yup. Each number is the chance, in percent, of the trait being added if all the conditions listed are fulfilled.

Thank you, this will hopefully do the trick! As soon as I have enough posts to +rep, you will be the first one to be "+rep'd" by me

[Meneth]

Thank you, this will hopefully do the trick! As soon as I have enough posts to +rep, you will be the first one to be "+rep'd" by me

Wait to 50 at least, it's kinda buggy before then, and sometimes afterwards too. That 3 of the 5 latest rep I've gotten is 0-point rep is testament to this.

[Tears of Destiny]

Is the Ødipus Complex too common? I could tune it down some.

Yes please.

Seven out of eight Roman Children have it in my pureblood family line.

One of six French have it.

And my Crusaders game, 1 of 5.

[Ottheinrich]

Got the same issue here. 2/3 of my Kings get that title. (Just like the Oedipus Complex ).
In my last campaigne, the sicillian heir was a cruel leader, slaughtering muslims as well as fellow christians and never took any prisoners. (and of cause, he loved his mother a bit too much). He hasn't seen citywalls from the inside ever since he turned 16, because he preferred to lay siege, not to gover a city.
Soon as he became king, he was known as "Alfredo the Wise".
Just like his father, "Michele the Wise". But he was quite the opposite of his son, a chivalrous leader and brilliant governer, who never left Tunis since the day he was born. (But just like his son, he was a little bit too close to his mother ).

So, the tremendous flood of "wise rulers" I had can hardly be triggered by actions I as the player have taken, because my leaders and the actions I have taken with them were very different from each other.

@ Meneth:

Do I understand this right, changing those values at the end of the triggers from 40, 20, 10, and 3 to e. g. 20, 10, 3 and 1 would lead to less wise leaders?

[k/t]

(But just like his son, he was a little bit too close to his mother ).

Can you imagine what family reunions must have been like?

I've never seen this trait. Does anyone have a screenshot of it and its effects?

[Meneth]

Can you imagine what family reunions must have been like?

I've never seen this trait. Does anyone have a screenshot of it and its effects?

It's a trait from my LLP sub-mod.
It decreases fertility and increases unrest. Probably a few more effects, but can't remember them right now.