Playing with the Brits

[Hobbes1]

I'm playing a tournament where I got randomly assigned the Brits. I have to play all the eleven battles of the first round with them. I know they are a super strong faction, but the thing is I had never played with them before. Nor had I used chariots. It'll be good practice, but I'm quite at a loss about what kind of armies to get and how to use them. It's pretty nooby of me to be asking for advice while the tournament is going on, but I don't care. It's all about skill, anyway. Unless it's against the tourney rules but I don't think so.

Do you guys care to share some ideas? I can spend only 12.5k (weaker factions get to spend as much as 15.5k) and the rules are as follow:

no art ele
max 7 cav
max 6 heavy cav
max 2 ha (count as cav and missle)*
max 7 miss
max 6 foot arch
max 4 same

[KittySN]

Barbarian Warlords and/or British Heavy Chariots (depending on funds and/or preference), 2 British Light Chariots, maybe a couple Chosen Swordsmen (depending on funds and/or preference), 4 Head Hurlers and 4 Slingers. If you have any competency in decent micromanagement and skirmishing, you should easily own just about every faction but Egypt, Carthage... maybe Greece. It's entirely up to your capabilities to use Britannia contrasting the stupidity of your opponent. In skillful hands, they're deadly.

It's amazing how many decent players I've owned with chariot spam (fear +1), Chosen Swordsmen (attack front and hold enemy), Wardogs (fear +2) and some Mercenary Barbarian Cavalry (fear +3) in a rush army. One simple flank attack (fear +4) with chariots, maybe with a concentrated attack (fear +5) and the entire enemy is in flight. Every routing unit just adds more fear. Just make sure you kill everything routing. Total noob faction in my opinion; cake. (Skirmishing is probably the safer bet though against anyone talented.)

[dacder]

will an admin delete this post?

[|Sith| Max]

I'm playing a tournament where I got randomly assigned the Brits. I have to play all the eleven battles of the first round with them. I know they are a super strong faction, but the thing is I had never played with them before. Nor had I used chariots. It'll be good practice, but I'm quite at a loss about what kind of armies to get and how to use them. It's pretty nooby of me to be asking for advice while the tournament is going on, but I don't care. It's all about skill, anyway. Unless it's against the tourney rules but I don't think so.

Do you guys care to share some ideas? I can spend only 12.5k (weaker factions get to spend as much as 15.5k) and the rules are as follow:

no art ele
max 7 cav
max 6 heavy cav
max 2 ha (count as cav and missle)*
max 7 miss
max 6 foot arch
max 4 same

ASKING TWC FOR ADVICE IS SILLY. THIS IS WHERE THE CLANLESS COME FROM.

Barbarian Warlords and/or British Heavy Chariots (depending on funds and/or preference), 2 British Light Chariots, maybe a couple Chosen Swordsmen (depending on funds and/or preference), 4 Head Hurlers and 4 Slingers. If you have any competency in decent micromanagement and skirmishing, you should easily own just about every faction but Egypt, Carthage... maybe Greece. It's entirely up to your capabilities to use Britannia contrasting the stupidity of your opponent. In skillful hands, they're deadly.

It's amazing how many decent players I've owned with chariot spam (fear +1), Chosen Swordsmen (attack front and hold enemy), Wardogs (fear +2) and some Mercenary Barbarian Cavalry (fear +3) in a rush army. One simple flank attack (fear +4) with chariots, maybe with a concentrated attack (fear +5) and the entire enemy is in flight. Every routing unit just adds more fear. Just make sure you kill everything routing. Total noob faction in my opinion; cake. (Skirmishing is probably the safer bet though against anyone talented.)

Good advice, ma'am, but you did not mention head hurlers in the fear list.

it didnt go too well for him in our mace vs. britan in that tourney


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HUMILIATING YOUR OPPONENT BY POSTING SCREENSHOTS ON A PUBLIC SITE IS FOR NOOBS

[VersionLangley]

ASKING TWC FOR ADVICE IS SILLY. THIS IS WHERE THE CLANLESS COME FROM.

believe me sir...we clanless know stuffs that you clannies don't know about + you posted in the "tips and advice" thread didn't you?

HUMILIATING YOUR OPPONENT BY POSTING SCREENSHOTS ON A PUBLIC SITE IS FOR NOOBS

well...might be just a crude joke with no harmful intention

head hurlers should be focus on elite unit don't they? standard units can be scared off easily

[dacder]

well...might be just a crude joke with no harmful intention

it is anyway I edited it out......

[KittySN]

Good advice, ma'am, but you did not mention head hurlers in the fear list.

I've yet to acquire any proof of this, either in export_descr_unit.txt, 1v1 custom battles or in personal practice. They certainly do not cause fear by proximity or contact because they performed the same as normal swordsmen, and I just tested their missiles against a unit with standard morale: still no fear beyond those of taking rapid and numerous casualties.

[Hobbes1]

-Ok, Lordy, thanks for shedding light on my way.

-Thanks for the advice, Belle.

-Dacder, I'm not so silly as to feel humiliated for losing a game, so, keep it bleeding till you dry me white. To add to my shame, let it be known that Dacder beat me using a noob box. I dumbly took a crappy chariot-based skirmisher army that barely made a dent in his spear wall. Because of the rules of the tournament I can take no more than 4 slingers and 4 head hurlers, whereas Macedon can field up to 6 archers. Even with a couple of light chariots for support his missiles cut my men down in no time. Silly me, I took no swordmen.

[|Sith| Max]

well...might be just a crude joke with no harmful intention

That matters not, it is not polite to humiliate your opponents publicly, and by rev i will teach those recruits manners as well.

I've yet to acquire any proof of this, either in export_descr_unit.txt, 1v1 custom battles or in personal practice. They certainly do not cause fear by proximity or contact because they performed the same as normal swordsmen, and I just tested their missiles against a unit with standard morale: still no fear beyond those of taking rapid and numerous casualties.

And if those head hurlers cause fear trough causing rapid, numerous casualties, is that not a reason to add them to a fear army?

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

ASKING TWC FOR ADVICE IS SILLY

Posts: 4,695

cool story

[Genius of the Restoration]

Why do you troll everything? Max's post count doesn't mean a thing. He's been the most prolific and good poster on MP RTW on this site for at least the last two years that I've been here. If I were new to the game and asked TWC for tips I should expect some bad answers. If I paid attention to Max's advice and ignored some of the other tips about Alexander the Great's historical manouevres then I'd be better off. There are quite a few people on TWC who don't know much about the game. I hardly think Max can be blamed for pointing this out.

That said, I'd still ask a question here because I've got no clan to go to. And good advice can be had if you ignore some of the crazy answers, so it's not all bad.

[Slayer{ST}]

There are quite a few people on TWC who don't know much about the game

wow isn't that the truth lol

[|Sith| Max]

Why do you troll everything? Max's post count doesn't mean a thing. He's been the most prolific and good poster on MP RTW on this site for at least the last two years that I've been here. If I were new to the game and asked TWC for tips I should expect some bad answers. If I paid attention to Max's advice and ignored some of the other tips about Alexander the Great's historical manouevres then I'd be better off. There are quite a few people on TWC who don't know much about the game. I hardly think Max can be blamed for pointing this out.

That said, I'd still ask a question here because I've got no clan to go to. And good advice can be had if you ignore some of the crazy answers, so it's not all bad.

Then why dont you just join a clan? you'd be better off than the sad cretins who think watching every RTW vid on youtube will make them good players. There are so many of those poor bastards who not only believe that but also treat those uploaders like gods. some of those uploaders are pretty cool guys, most haven't dropped their balls yet, but i am yet to see even simple like the catabox on youtube. Do not say this too often for their angry fangirls will try to hunt you down like a bunch of christian fanatics in the movie Agora, but the most educative thing i saw on youtube was Cluny the Scourge explaining people how to beat a noob box. i would complain that this is terribly easy to do but then i realize most of the people that watch that do not know how to, and thus it is a relevant documentary and he is not to blame for its simple content. What is even sadder is that this site, which is called total war center, teaches people how to make things like RS2, but it has never even tried to teach people MP. Instead the clans of RTW are the ones that get stuck with that job because new clanless players who suck so badly, are incidentally our recruitment pool and no one else is going to go trough the trouble.

This incidentally leads us to the question "If the RTW clans are the people that train players, wouldnt that mean that there is ample opportunity for everyone to learn how to play the game?"
The answer to that is rather simple. Yes there is, but no no, people do not make use of those options.
there are a few reasons for that, and the most important one of those is that there are CERTAIN PEOPLE AMONGST THE MORE POPULAR YOUTUBE UPLOADERS WHOSE NAMES I WONT BRING UP(BUT THE FAGGOTS KNOW WHO THEY ARE) that convince their viewers that it is pointless to join a clan because they are just noobs with fancy tags.

Because of this i estimate that 75 % of all the remaining RTW players plays like they had a lobotomy.

Ofcourse i do not think that any clan leader will complain about this situation, because it gives us all a monopoly on training and challenging games (you might have noticed that people without clantags get kicked out of games a lot), which gives the clanless that are smart enough to try joining a respectable one a reason to do so. I still think it is a crying shame that not every RTW player receives a basic education. from this place, but at least these people are no longer yelling that Companions are the best cavalry in the game.

Oh why the is the radio playing the beach boys D:<

Let me put this into perspective very simply. Most of us MP clannies know who Chibbs is. He is that new kid from Hell. Hes like what, 14? 13? hes been around in clans for like a year or so, and even that guy manages to easily off those people on youtube as i found out while trying to find the official results of the old gamespy tournaments but ofc due to faggotry propaganda got relinked to a vid of Heir of Carthage losing to a new clanlet. Then there are the tournament players who practice hard to push their skills to the limits while them youtube boys spend their time uploading videos of beating up people who look like they are having their first match. I know nobody likes a critic but i just dont get how those vids are even entertaining to anyone that owns the game, let alone why ppl try to proclaim their idols the best players ever. Thats like comparing The David by Michelangelo to the result of a toddler's 1 hour claying session in elementary, and whenever i watch one of those things i lose faith in humanity. The only positive thing about that youtube fiasco is that it reels in new players to the game which incidentally means more recruits for all the clans. therefore yet again we never really complain about the vids. However it is my personal opinion that using that as educative material or as an example to model your play style after is counter productive and that this site should provide some basic knowledge on the subject...

[dacder]

actually I think that situation would change if instead of POM they watch belles vids and see how to play.

[Genius of the Restoration]

Then why dont you just join a clan? you'd be better off than the sad cretins who think watching every RTW vid on youtube will make them good players.

I'd join a clan if I still played and played online. I totally agree with you though, people who go to the effort of watching lots of youtube vids would be better off investing that same amount of time in training with a clan if they want to improve. Sure, some vids are helpful, but I'd wager you'd learn things much faster and skip the rubbish if you went straight to a good clan.

What is even sadder is that this site, which is called total war center, teaches people how to make things like RS2, but it has never even tried to teach people MP. Instead the clans of RTW are the ones that get stuck with that job because new clanless players who suck so badly, are incidentally our recruitment pool and no one else is going to go trough the trouble.

That's true, TWC is definitely mod-focussed, which of course means single player. There are things like the mod awards, but MP doesn't get nearly the same support. In part, I think it's because there just isn't as much interest from TWC members. Funnily enough, it was a year ago today that I tried to help Warman set up some more MP support with awards and tournaments. Hasn't really taken off has it?

at least these people are no longer yelling that Companions are the best cavalry in the game.

Thank God. I have noticed that the content of the General Discussion has got a bit better over the years. Threads about Rome beating Egypt on low money don't appear very often anymore.

Then there are the tournament players who practice hard to push their skills to the limits while them youtube boys spend their time uploading videos of beating up people who look like they are having their first match.

Why vids like this are ever uploaded is beyond me. It's ego, and is not the least bit informative or exciting. Maybe some of them are for a laugh, but a lot of the time it's about showing how good the player is by beating someone who doesn't know what a secondary attack is. It's retarded.

However it is my personal opinion that using that as educative material or as an example to model your play style after is counter productive and that this site should provide some basic knowledge on the subject...

Well you've got stuff like the Tips and Advice thread, but a good training manual would be good. Most guides on TWC (mine included) are for campaign. Didn't you have one a while back? Or is my memory failing me? Zeke's guide to the factions should also be put somewhere. A separate section in the Scriptorium dealing with MP would be nice. You could easily write as long as ForlornHope's guide for SP if you wanted to. Except for MP. And without saying things like wedge is useless, but telling people how to use it effectively. All you'd need is someone to write it. If there was enough work done in it, you'd be able to find a special home for it or at the very least a place in the stickies with relevant links. I'd be more than happy to bring it before the higher ups to get a separate part for MP guides, training etc., you'd just need at least some of them writen first.

[dacder]

I could attempt it.....but im not that good yet myself and likely will lack the patience.

[|Sith| Max]

actually I think that situation would change if instead of POM they watch belles vids and see how to play.

Wrong, because Belle doesnt try to educate people, she simply kills for fun and the viewers just watch and enjoy. purely recreational. now with most youtubers im quite sure ego is up first, but occasionally they do say some that aint too bad as slayer pointed out. they also try to explain why they play like they do. its kinda like preschool for a few funny reasons.

I'd join a clan if I still played and played online. I totally agree with you though, people who go to the effort of watching lots of youtube vids would be better off investing that same amount of time in training with a clan if they want to improve. Sure, some vids are helpful, but I'd wager you'd learn things much faster and skip the rubbish if you went straight to a good clan.

well if they want to stick throwing stacks of hastati at the Easy AI they can do so for all i care. whether people actually join clans or not is not realy my c oncern. as it is now he people that join clans are usually the more professional people that are interested in multiplayer enough to spend time on it.

That's true, TWC is definitely mod-focussed, which of course means single player. There are things like the mod awards, but MP doesn't get nearly the same support. In part, I think it's because there just isn't as much interest from TWC members. Funnily enough, it was a year ago today that I tried to help Warman set up some more MP support with awards and tournaments. Hasn't really taken off has it?

We are talking about Warman here dude. as for awards and tournaments the clans pretty much own those too.

Thank God. I have noticed that the content of the General Discussion has got a bit better over the years. Threads about Rome beating Egypt on low money don't appear very often anymore.

Thats because me and a few others trolled anyone that was teaching people false information

Why vids like this are ever uploaded is beyond me. It's ego, and is not the least bit informative or exciting. Maybe some of them are for a laugh, but a lot of the time it's about showing how good the player is by beating someone who doesn't know what a secondary attack is. It's retarded.

Sure is. I remember that i sent VikingX a few replays last year which were supposed to become private educational commentary videos for Sith Training but he and roberticus suddenly went inactive and there were and are no other people in clans that meet the minimum requirements EG not a girly voice, tactical comprehension and not an arrogant fagball. The plan got scrapped.

Well you've got stuff like the Tips and Advice thread, but a good training manual would be good. Most guides on TWC (mine included) are for campaign. Didn't you have one a while back? Or is my memory failing me? Zeke's guide to the factions should also be put somewhere. A separate section in the Scriptorium dealing with MP would be nice. You could easily write as long as ForlornHope's guide for SP if you wanted to. Except for MP. And without saying things like wedge is useless, but telling people how to use it effectively. All you'd need is someone to write it. If there was enough work done in it, you'd be able to find a special home for it or at the very least a place in the stickies with relevant links. I'd be more than happy to bring it before the higher ups to get a separate part for MP guides, training etc., you'd just need at least some of them writen first.

No the one i had up dealt with stuff 12 year olds should already know:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=241086

Given the nature of TWC at the time you can condescendingly read
"If you have any additional infractions for me(regarding to this guide), send me a PM"

However as i said before the Clans do not complain about their monopoly on skill, simply because it gives people a reason to join them. if we went and copied our scriptures to this place: 1. no one would join us to learn, 2. No one here would give a and theyd probably be dumped in some old archive. If people here were interested in mp at all theyd already have such guides up. they can sort their own mess out afaiac

Also why has my guide been split up into parts in the index of important threads? hm nvm. its not that important as long as the message remains unaltered... just a bit inneficient imo...

[VersionLangley]

PrinceofMacedon gave one or two fundamental tips in each video which you can probably get from the Centurion adviser. The rest feel like narrating events which viewers can already see on the screen. I like watching other people play more than playing...but...that is...kinda...bland not my cup of tea
However, his channel is historical inspired rather than game mechanics, so why are people criticizing him for it, or for his fan-base?

No the one i had up dealt with stuff 12 year olds should already know:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=241086

i think that's all one need for MP, anymore than that might ruin the fun of the game. But reading MP guide is still enjoyable

[Genius of the Restoration]

Must we devolve into talking about PoM again? If I had a dollar for every time...

We are talking about Warman here dude. as for awards and tournaments the clans pretty much own those too.

Yep. I don't know if TWC has really ever had a tournament culture. Apart from a couple of guys organising one every once in a while, I can't remember any tournament ever having been an institution here.

Thats because me and a few others trolled anyone that was teaching people false information

Heh, I'm too lenient on them.

If people here were interested in mp at all theyd already have such guides up.

That's it exactly. Most of the members here aren't interested in MP that much, certainly not as much as SP. Unfortunately, they still go around talking about the game and giving terrible advice to others on how to play it. Not much you can do but correct them, because they often aren't interested enough to find out how the game works and will say things like 'I do it for historical accuracy', even though the questioner didn't ask how to accurately portray an army. Ah well, you can't save them all.

[KittySN]

Wrong, because Belle doesnt try to educate people, she simply kills for fun and the viewers just watch and enjoy. purely recreational.

Yeah, pretty much, though several viewers have surprisingly told me they've learned things. If anything, they're meant as entertainment for the people who know what's going on, and entertainment for me experimenting. Since I like exploring all types of games with all types of players, that's what's uploaded. I'm not out to impress the "15k cwb normal" crowd or train anyone, though I'm flattered if I do.

Besides, getting games recorded with good "15k cwb normal" players is sort of difficult. When you approach the upper tiers of clan skilled players, few wish to risk the possibility of being humiliated. This is why I usually neglect recording these games, even with those of permission. If I do post the best of the best, I prefer posting videos of games I've lost rather than won. That way they look good and I look modest.