prohibition party

[Templedog]

http://www.prohibition.org/values.html

Is this party crazy or am I?

[imb39]

The price of democracy...

[Kagetora]

It's a pretty :wub: site, so its probably a pretty :wub: party made of of some of the most secluded fundamentalist Christians on PC's.

[John I Tzimisces]

http://www.ufu.gq.nu/

Those crazies just got OWNED by this crazy.

[Erik]

Against Commercial Pornography

At least my stack of amateur porn is safe :sweatingb

Preserve U.S. Sovereignty

k...and who exactly was the US going to give it's sovereignty to?

Tax Reforms
Judicial Reforms
Ballot Law Reform
Campaign Finance Reform
Concerns About the Role of the United Nations
Concerns About International Trade Agreements

So basically they have some conserns and they want to change some things.
This made their stance very clear to me

[Erik]

http://www.ufu.gq.nu/

Those crazies just got OWNED by this crazy.

He looks like a fine candidate. (and isn't "she" a "he"?)

But America doesn't need a Fascist party, they have the neo-cons.

[Francisco Montana]

But America doesn't need a Fascist party, they have the neo-cons.

I'm not familiar with the NeoCon party. Care to enlighten me? And care to show me how they stack up against National Socialism?

TYIA.

(And to answer your original Q, Templedog, you and this Prohabition Party are both crazy. :original: )

[Erik]

I'm not familiar with the NeoCon party. Care to enlighten me? And care to show me how they stack up against National Socialism?

I didn't call them "National Socialists"
I called them Fascist, big difference.

Fascism simply means the government is controlled by big corporations. (economic power = political power)
Fascists can be nationalistic too, but they don't have to be.

The Neo-cons try to establish the same kind of social/economical/political structure that Mussolini and Hitler had, this is what makes them Fascists.
And they don't need their own party because they already make up a big part of the Republican elite.

[Francisco Montana]

The Neo-cons try to establish the same kind of social/economical/political structure that Mussolini and Hitler had, this is what makes them Fascists.

Hitler was a National Socialist. Why do you think he and Stalin were pals for a while?

Rewriting history to suite you and your ideology doesn't change this fact. No matter how many times you try it.

So, I take it Bill Clinton was a Fascist too? Now I'm beginning to understand your thinking.

You think like a Communist.

[TIGERCAT]

He looks like a fine candidate. (and isn't "she" a "he"?)

But America doesn't need a Fascist party, they have the neo-cons.

Yes, he does look crazy.

But America doesn't need a Marxist party, they have the Democrats,
and Maxine Waters plus Dennis Kucinich as party spokesmen.

[Sétanta]

wow the first site was completly lame
and those fascist nutjobs need to go back to school (their grammar and spelling sucked)

[Eric]

http://www.ufu.gq.nu/

Those crazies just got OWNED by this crazy.

I looked at the 'pictures' on that site. That lady looks the guy's mother. Creepy beyond all belief.

[Virgil]

"And on "Star Trek: Babylon 5" - Jack Grimes (that handsome devil above this post)

ROFL - this guy needs a better speech writer

[John I Tzimisces]

I came across the UFU, which apparently came in 6th in the US presidential elections, despite being a write-in ballot, whilst doing a project on independent parties in America. Man, that, was depressing.

[vizi]

Without alcohol those values they hold dear would be brushed aside by crime in order to provide alcohol to the people.

[Francisco Montana]

Without alcohol those values they hold dear would be brushed aside by crime in order to provide alcohol to the people.

Sorta like we are seeing with Heroine, Cocaine and Marijuana.

(Before you think I'm being sarcastic, I'm not. We need to rethink this War On Drugs)

@Erik, not everyone in Europe knows he was a Fascist. Where do you think I found out the fact that he was in bed with the socialists?

In Europe.

Hitler was not a fascist. Mussalini, yes, he was a fascist.

Again though, it's no surprise that a Communist would consider the USA a Facsist State. Really, it's not.

[ForgottenImmortal]

Hitler was a National Socialist. Why do you think he and Stalin were pals for a while?

Rewriting history to suite you and your ideology doesn't change this fact. No matter how many times you try it.

So, I take it Bill Clinton was a Fascist too? Now I'm beginning to understand your thinking.

You think like a Communist

National Socialism is Fascism more or less. National Socialism is Socialist because of its views that nobody should gain rank from birth or name, but by virtue, however National Socialism, like Fascism promotes a government controlled economy, not like Communism where its restricted, but rather where the government protects the corporations and in return the corporations are directed by the government what to produce, etc. Its a blending of the economy and government into a united state, look at Krupp and the 3rd Reich, Porsche, Albert Speer, Fritz Todt and the Nazi Party. A blending of business and state.

The funny thing with America is its corporate Fascism, instead of the state controlling government and blending with government, its Corporations controlling government, guiding government. While American Fascism doesn't promote the idea that society is more important than the individual, it does promote a "be like your neighbor" syndrome, buy a car like his, buy those christmas presents, buy the product and be just like him, etc, etc. It's highly socialist.

Hitler and Stalin were "pals" because of mutual goals, not mutual politics, your rewriting history, I suggest you read up more about German corporations and military operating in Soviet Union in 1930s and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty. Ribbentrop proposed the treaty after the Brtish has failed to negotiate a settlement with Russia, Stalin, who planned to invade Germany in 1945 hoped Germany would become bogged down in France while he gobbled up Eastern Europe, as garuanteed in the treaty.

Bill Clinton wasn't a Fascist, he isn't turning America increasingly into a culture of Fear and a police-style state, simultanously Clinton didn't pursue the bullheaded foreign policy akin to Kaiser Wilhelm and the German Army in the 1880-1910s.

He doesn't think like a communist, he thinks like a critical thinker, a person who questions, is skeptical, a healthy American. He doesn't go "Baaah" and walk in line.

[Francisco Montana]

however National Socialism, like Fascism promotes a government controlled economy, not like Communism where its restricted

I take it you are a Communist, or Communist sympathizer. I only ask because just 2 sentences into your post you started watering down what Communism is. Communism doesn't 'restrict' business, it bans it. Private ownership of anything, including business, is not allowed in a Communist State. It goes against everything Communism stands for, after all.

The funny thing with America is its corporate Fascism, instead of the state controlling government and blending with government, its Corporations controlling government, guiding government.

Again, I'm sensing a serious socialist/communist tone in your voice. Your clouding your post with too much opinion. Opinions are fine, but they have no place in a description of economic systems. Not if they are to be taken seriously, that is. What you are attempting to write off as Fascism is simply Capitalism. The Govt stays out of our daily lives and tends to what our Constitution allocated them to do. The fact that the Govt has become so over bearing to business is a sign of us becoming more solcialistic, not facist. I think you have your lessons confused. The fact that corporations can make huge political donations is the part you are confusing the most with fasicism. That's just known as 'the freedom to spend your money how you would like'. Is it great for us little guys who end up with no say? No, but then that's why the FF knew this whole thing would collaps once we lost our moral compass and the masses weren't educated on the issues enough to make lucid decisions. The fact is, if we would focus on personal responsiblity more and stop making excuses we may be able to start turning the ship around. But I doubt it. That's why many are simply counting the hours until the whole thing fall flat on it's face. I've stated before, we've gone past complacent, and have moved full into Dependance.

It's a shame too.

Hitler and Stalin were "pals" because of mutual goals, not mutual politics, your rewriting history, I suggest you read up more about German corporations and military operating in Soviet Union in 1930s and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty. Ribbentrop proposed the treaty after the Brtish has failed to negotiate a settlement with Russia, Stalin, who planned to invade Germany in 1945 hoped Germany would become bogged down in France while he gobbled up Eastern Europe, as garuanteed in the treaty.

I'll let our resident WWII historian fill in the gaps you left out here. He can put it together alot faster. I'm confident you will have a ball with him, though.

Bill Clinton wasn't a Fascist, he isn't turning America increasingly into a culture of Fear and a police-style state, simultanously Clinton didn't pursue the bullheaded foreign policy akin to Kaiser Wilhelm and the German Army in the 1880-1910s.

This is why the left will continue to lose elections in this country. They act like everything has happened in a vacuum. There is a war going on. Since you seem to be the expert on WW2, might I suggest you brush up on your history with regards to interment camps and the other ways we lost our civil liberties during WW2. I know, there is no war on terror, Bush made it up. Again, that's why you keep losing elections in this country. :wink:

He doesn't think like a communist, he thinks like a critical thinker, a person who questions, is skeptical, a healthy American. He doesn't go "Baaah" and walk in line.

You blew your whole post with this blantant partisanship. To bad you didnt' realize how seethrough it was.

[ForgottenImmortal]

Alameda, you use the term communist very liberally, no I'm not a communist or a communist sympathizer, the most accurate description of ymself is a Democratic Socialist, I believe in a blending of Capitalism and Socialism, America is that, so is Western Europe, all at different degrees of the two sides being blended.

I only ask because just 2 sentences into your post you started watering down what Communism is. Communism doesn't 'restrict' business, it bans it. Private ownership of anything, including business, is not allowed in a Communist State. It goes against everything Communism stands for, after all.

Communism isn't the world's greatest evil, its a doctrine fine on paper that utterly fails in practice, its a failed theory, not the antichrist, so calm down. Yes, Communism restricts business, it doesn't ban it, your telling me nothing was sold, nobody made profit in Russia or China? Banning business would kill a country within a year, restricting it its called Planned Market, or Controlled Economy, its where the government directs the business world to produce that, go into these markets, etc. Something that is shown under both Fascist and Communist governments.

Again, I'm sensing a serious socialist/communist tone in your voice. Your clouding your post with too much opinion. Opinions are fine, but they have no place in a description of economic systems. Not if they are to be taken seriously, that is. What you are attempting to write off as Fascism is simply Capitalism. The Govt stays out of our daily lives and tends to what our Constitution allocated them to do. The fact that the Govt has become so over bearing to business is a sign of us becoming more solcialistic, not facist. I think you have your lessons confused. The fact that corporations can make huge political donations is the part you are confusing the most with fasicism. That's just known as 'the freedom to spend your money how you would like'. Is it great for us little guys who end up with no say? No, but then that's why the FF knew this whole thing would collaps once we lost our moral compass and the masses weren't educated on the issues enough to make lucid decisions. The fact is, if we would focus on personal responsiblity more and stop making excuses we may be able to start turning the ship around. But I doubt it. That's why many are simply counting the hours until the whole thing fall flat on it's face. I've stated before, we've gone past complacent, and have moved full into Dependance.

It's a shame too.

I take it people who disagree with you are Commies. Fascism is Socialism, Communism is Socialism, its on opposite spectrums when it comes to some things, but they are very similair, to quote Giovanni Gentile's translations and summaries of Mussolini's writings on Fascism, the most complete English account available:

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State (15). Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State (16).

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity (11). It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12).

If liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells government. The Fascist State is, however, a unique and original creation. It is not reactionary but revolutionary, for it anticipates the solution of certain universal problems which have been raised elsewhere, in the political field by the splitting up of parties, the usurpation of power by parliaments, the irresponsibility of assemblies; in the economic field by the increasingly numerous and important functions discharged by trade unions and trade associations with their disputes and ententes, affecting both capital and labor; in the ethical field by the need felt for order, discipline, obedience to the moral dictates of patriotism.

The Fascism state is very similar to the Communist state in its views on The State over the Individual and the equality for all individuals, a society working together in unity, while their economic policies are seperate, Fascism and Communism are both similair. The republican party get the label of Fascist from me because of its patriotic sign waving, walking in step style politics, unquestioning loyalty, obediance and bullheadedness, characteristic of Germany, Japan, Hungary and Italy in the 1930s with their Fascist governments.

I'll let our resident WWII historian fill in the gaps you left out here. He can put it together alot faster. I'm confident you will have a ball with him, though.

I admit my expertise isn't German-Russian relations in the 1930s, I'd love to debate him over the Kursk offensive, or something along those lines, but I simply was trying to briefly explain the motives behind the Pact. It was not mutual politics, trust me, just read Mein Kampf or any of Hitler's speeches.

This is why the left will continue to lose elections in this country. They act like everything has happened in a vacuum. There is a war going on. Since you seem to be the expert on WW2, might I suggest you brush up on your history with regards to interment camps and the other ways we lost our civil liberties during WW2. I know, there is no war on terror, Bush made it up. Again, that's why you keep losing elections in this country.

So you justify us losing civil liberties when we have done it in the past? That makes alot of sense. I'd like to see if any of our Founding Fathers would agree we should lose what it means to be an American in order to keep America around. I can say that if we lose what is it to be an American in the process of defending America, we have truelly lost.

I will tell you that every democracy in history till recent times has collasped in the face of strongmen, wars that break down the democratic wheels, economic unrest, or simply a lack of people caring anymore. I seek to defend America from those I see who do her harm, I'd like for anybody to point out how Bush has done more good for this country than harm.

You blew your whole post with this blantant partisanship. To bad you didnt' realize how seethrough it was.

I am being blatantly partisan, thats American politics. I was far more compromising four years ago, and anyways, Its not like I completely agree with the Democratic Party (I rather think their incompetant, weak-spinned and stupid) or the "Far Left" I could come up with a list of many things I do not support on Liberal policies. You aren't debating American politics in your reply though, your debating economic policies and history, which there isn't really isn't a compromise room. Its just plain wrong that Hitler and Stalin were "pals" because they had similair economics, that sounds ridiculous and is ridiculous.

[Erik]

@Erik, not everyone in Europe knows he was a Fascist. Where do you think I found out the fact that he was in bed with the socialists?

In Europe.

Hitler was not a fascist. Mussalini, yes, he was a fascist.

So let's get this straight:

Hitler was allied to Stalin.
Then Hitler Invaded Poland, France and Italy.
But Italy was allied to Britain and together with the Americans they defeated the German/Russian "axis".

Good that you pointed this out because the left-wing-liberal-biased-commie-media made me beleive a completely different version of history.


I know Hitler couldn't possibly be a fascist because he called himself a socialist.
But Mussolini called himself a socialist too, how is this possible?

He doesn't think like a communist, he thinks like a critical thinker, a person who questions, is skeptical, a healthy American. He doesn't go "Baaah" and walk in line.

Thanks, but I am not an American.

Alameda, you use the term communist very liberally, no I'm not a communist or a communist sympathizer, the most accurate description of ymself is a Democratic Socialist, I believe in a blending of Capitalism and Socialism, America is that, so is Western Europe, all at different degrees of the two sides being blended.

I am a Democratic Socialist too, and Alameda knows this.