Conscript Army

[MasterAdnin]

This is more of a question than a discussion, although it can turn into one. What are the economic benefits of having a conscript army as opposed to a full volunteer army? Also would you be in favor of a conscript army in your country?

Adnan

[Armenum]

I'll take a smaller, more professional and efficient army over a large number of soldiers who are serving reluctantly any day. Conscription is only necessary if your country is either in a state of war, or close to that stage. (Take Iraq or Israel as examples). Besides that, conscription is unnecessary as conscripts don't provide the most efficient and professional fighting force.

[Enemy of the State]

Conscription is slavery.

[Chukada1]

Hell ya I support it yeehaa.

But I get to serve in the Coast Guard. Yall be fighting in dah jungles.

[hellheaven1987]

Conscript is good to be reserved, but in actual war professional would be those who decide to outcome. However, the current problem is that most European countries simply have no resource to maintain a sufficient professional force at all, and all of them prefer to rely on American to save their butt.

[Tiberios]

Well for my country conscription has been necessary to provide a large army during the Cold War. After the end of the Cold War, however, it's not that needed anymore, though it has some uses still. In my country, together with the Home Guard it can provide assistance in the case of a major disaster or a major terrorist attack. Other than that I personally think it's good to serve the 4 months in the army. It gives you some good experiences and new friends as well.

Besides a conscript army isn't automatically bad IMO. It depends on the training, equipment, tactics and morale.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Conscription is slavery.

We all live in an iron cage... the cage of the subject and perspective. We built it and we put ourselves into it.

Conscription is far more expensive and innefective for large countries... plus in interventionist countries such as the USA it undermines morale.

[Jom]

No it isn't, I would die for this country (Not the traitorous Govt), Conscription and National service (They are different) are good for character, just look on your street corner, or your local Hughstreet on a Friday night and you see foul mouthed, drunk Teenagers with no discipline.

So you like that do you?

In essence they are the same: forcing someone into doing something against their will.

It's not just teenagers that you see on the streets on a Friday night; it's men and women of all ages.

[roy34543]

In essence they are the same: forcing someone into doing something against their will.

It's not just teenagers that you see on the streets on a Friday night; it's men and women of all ages.

I wouldnt argue conscription is a soloution to social problems, but everything a state does forces you to do something against your will. You have to pay taxes, you have to follow the laws . You gain the benefit of living in an organized society, and you have to reciprocate by having responsibilities given to you by the state. As I said, if you dont want to pay taxes or conscript or follow laws, go to international waters.

You cant counterfeit money even though that doesnt technically hurt anyone, and you cant choose not to conscript without good reason when it could lead to the state being threatened if your untrained.

[Enemy of the State]

You cant counterfeit money even though that doesnt technically hurt anyone, and you cant choose not to conscript without good reason when it could lead to the state being threatened if your untrained.

Believe me, there is more of a threat to the state when I am trained.

[Jom]

In my time this was a rarity, we had self restrained, we where not hormonal animals, it is a shame that the Gov brainwashed them into doing these things, the government has been trying to undermine the family unit for decades, through benefits to Culture change.

Yeah, trying to undermine the family unit with all those tax breaks for married couples and child benefit. Those monsters.

Conscription is not the answer to Britain's social problems; a set price on units of alcohol per drink could help, though.

[Jom]

The 'Kids' still get there alcohol and fags, they either steal it, get a adult to buy it (They hang out outside the store and ask adults to get it for them), so raising the tax does little, it just hurts the modest Pub goers (The pubs are closing, and that is a real shame).

I am sometimes embarrassed Being British, this government are nothing but vile, traitorous, backstabber's.

and you my friend are hardly a Patriot.

Thanks.

And you ignored my point about marriage tax breaks and child benefit.

Britain has never wanted or needed a large standing army. I wouldn't really want to see a bloated armed forces costing more money in salaries than before.

[Yorkshireman]

Conscription and National service (They are different) are good for character

What do you suggest we do with all these hundreds of thousands of unwiiling conscripted soldiers that we don't need ?

[Yorkshireman]

Did what we done when we had National service, let them do Military service and provide assistance when there is a disaster

The last time we had national service we were fighting a number of post colonial conflicts including the Korean War. There is nowhere for that many men to do military service anymore, we don't need them. So basically they'll have to sit around in barracks (that we don't have) all day, on the off chance there is a disaster that requires 500,000 men to assist.

Do you want to pay for that ? I don't.

(Conscription is when you conscript the Public in a disaster) National service is when 20 year old do National service that lasts for 2 years.

Cheers mate, I had absolutely no idea what national service was until you just explained it to me.

The first National Service Acts were passed during the Second World War. However, following the war, conscription was extended as peacetime National Service.

http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server...ConWebDoc.1272

[Azog 150]

No it isn't, I would die for this country (Not the traitorous Govt), Conscription and National service (They are different) are good for character, just look on your street corner, or your local Hughstreet on a Friday night and you see foul mouthed, drunk Teenagers with no discipline.

So you like that do you?

Britain has only had conscription 24 years of its 303 year history. Lack of conscription is not why we have drunkv teenagers and its certainly not the answer to it. The army doesn't want conscription and the people don't want conscription.

If you would like to see our Armed Forces sink further into the abyss then maybe National Service/Conscription (whatever you want to call it) is the answer.

[Enemy of the State]

No it isn't, I would die for this country (Not the traitorous Govt), Conscription and National service (They are different) are good for character, just look on your street corner, or your local Hughstreet on a Friday night and you see foul mouthed, drunk Teenagers with no discipline.

So you like that do you?

My country has conscription and people are still ike that. Even while in the military.

Feel free to die for your country. I would never use force to stop you. Maybe you could show me the same respect and let me live my life.

[razor-]

I support conscription, in fact I am serving my time in 3 months. I believe its good for national cohesion, you learn a lot of skills that can be useful in civilian life as well and should the Soviet Union (or another similar threat) emerge it is good to have a large part of the population who already has basic military knowledge.

[Holger Danske]

I support conscription, in fact I am serving my time in 3 months. I believe its good for national cohesion, you learn a lot of skills that can be useful in civilian life as well and should the Soviet Union (or another similar threat) emerge it is good to have a large part of the population who already has basic military knowledge.

Good for you.
Let me tell you then that you as a conscript deprives me, as a professional, of badly need resources and because of conscription the danish military cannot keep it's hands on trained and experienced soldiers as there needs to be a constant flow of personel. Also, how many of those who has gone through the HBU do you think can remember anything from their basic field-training? Let me give you a hint: None.

I'm all against it.

[Tiberios]

I'd say that has more to do with the fact that Danish politicians and government think they can fight a war in Afghanistan, have ships off the Horn of Africa and sustain a force in Kosovo and Lebanon with a peacetime budget which they have been only boosting slightly.

[Baron Thunder-ten-tronckh]

I would disagree with conscription. The historical uses of it seem to be that people are conscripted during, or just before, wartime, and I don't think that the conscripts could learn the necessary martial skills before they are sent to the battle lines.

I do, however, agree with the similar, but not the name, idea of compulsory military service. It is probably be what most people see as conscription. But I understand conscription as it was in Australia during the Vietnam war, where it was a macabre lottery based on birthdays. Military Service is different in that all people are required to join the military at a certain age. Even if it was compulsory that every citizen be a military cadet, or join the Reserves, or the Coastguard.

I think there are benefits in compulsory military service that shouldn't be discounted.