Most Awesome "Last Stand" battle?

**~~The_God~~** · October 20, 2010, 12:18 PM

Perhaps the most famous Last stand battle is the battle of Thermopylae.Although i doubt it was
1000 Greeks vs 100.000 Persians it is a memorable battle since it was one of the first in human history, recorded so well

My favorite is the battle of Agincourt.To me its the definition of epicness.6.000 "peasant" soldiers surrounded and facing 36.000 soldiers, who have better armor and are professionals, not only managed to avoid defeat but they actually crashed their enemy

Which battle would you vote as the awesomest last stand battle?

**Salem1** · October 20, 2010, 12:52 PM

There were no ''peasant'' soldiers at Agincourt. There were longbowmen & men at arms.

**hellheaven1987** · October 20, 2010, 12:57 PM

Battle of Camaron.

Battle for Macragge.

**Wegen7 die Große** · October 20, 2010, 01:08 PM

The battle of Endor

**irontaino** · October 20, 2010, 01:08 PM

Modoc War

Battle of Saragarhi

**Manuel I Komnenos** · October 20, 2010, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by The_God

Perhaps the most famous Last stand battle is the battle of Thermopylae.Although i doubt it was
1000 Greeks vs 100.000 Persians it is a memorable battle since it was one of the first in human history, recorded so well

You doubt it because you think the Persians were even more I guess..

I'll stick with the battle of Thermopylae it's anyway the best example of a last stand..

**~~The_God~~** · October 20, 2010, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos

You doubt it because you think the Persians were even more I guess..

I'll stick with the battle of Thermopylae it's anyway the best example of a last stand..

No its not that.I just thought that the battle of Thermopylae was a series of skirmishes in which the Greeks faced not all the Persian army but just some of the Persian units.It was a heroic battle but it was a defeat nevertheless

**Farnan** · October 20, 2010, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by The_God

No its not that.I just thought that the battle of Thermopylae was a series of skirmishes in which the Greeks faced not all the Persian army but just some of the Persian units.It was a heroic battle but it was a defeat nevertheless

And your proof of that is?

Oh and my answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camar%C3%B3n

**~~The_God~~** · October 20, 2010, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Farnan

And your proof of that is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_(film)

I ve heard that the Spartans faced dangerous Persian Samurais , huge dinosaurs and disgusting ogres.They fought well but they were betrayed by the Spartan cousin of Hunchback of Notre-Dame

Seriously the battle was described by Greek historians only, so perhaps it was portrayed in a way to depict Greeks more heroic.Herodotus for example claimed that the Persian army was 2.500.000 which is a gross exaggeration.I dont want to downgrade the braveness of Spartan warriors but i prefer more recent battles that are analyzed by more historians with a less biased way

**Farnan** · October 20, 2010, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by The_God

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_(film)

I ve heard that the Spartans faced dangerous Persian Samurais , huge dinosaurs and disgusting ogres.They fought well but they were betrayed by the Spartan cousin of the Hunchback of Notre-Dame

Seriously the battle was described by Greek historians only, so perhaps it was portrayed in a way to depict Greeks more heroic.Herodotus for example claimed that the Persian army was 2.500.000 which is a gross exaggeration.I dont want ro downgrade the braveness of Spartan warriors but i prefer more recent battles that are analyzed by more historians with a less biased way

Umm...

That post was just idiotic.

No one here is basing their knowledge on 300. Please never base another post on assuming the person you are talking about is an idiot.

100,000 is the scholarly guess of the size of the Persian Army, and historians agree the battle description that Herodotus gave is generally how it went.

**Katsumoto** · October 20, 2010, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Farnan

Oh and my answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camar%C3%B3n

Yeah I remember watching a documentary on this battle, good choice.

**wowbanger** · October 20, 2010, 01:29 PM

Rouke's Drift

Mainly because of the film "Zulu".

**Lysimachus** · October 20, 2010, 01:58 PM

My favorite is the battle of Agincourt.To me its the definition of epicness.6.000 "peasant" soldiers surrounded and facing 36.000 soldiers, who have better armor and are professionals, not only managed to avoid defeat but they actually crashed their enemy

Actually if I recall correctly the English army was professional too. Take in to account the fact that they deployed stakes so they were impervious to a frontal cavalry charge, the French nobility were very impetuous and that the mud debilitated their ability to effectively attack the English position it turned the whole battle in to a bloodbath thanks to Henry V using every single advantage as much as possible.

You doubt it because you think the Persians were even more I guess..

I'll stick with the battle of Thermopylae it's anyway the best example of a last stand..

No love for Stalingrad?

I'm not too fond of the thread title either, since war is never "awesome" and in a sense it makes a mockery of it by trying to glamourise it as all fun and games when it merely results in death and destruction.

**conon394** · October 20, 2010, 02:24 PM

Phormio at Naupactus - 11 ships against 77 and he won...

**conon394** · October 20, 2010, 02:39 PM

it was a heroic battle but it was a defeat nevertheless

Kinda of a typical feature of most last stands most of the time...

**cpdwane** · October 20, 2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by conon394

Kinda of a typical feature of most last stands most of the time...

Yeah.

They wouldn't be called "last" otherwise now would they?

Custer's Last Stand has to be on the list for the utter stupidity of the situation Custer had got himself in.

The Battle of Sphacteria was probably the least awsome last stand ever, especially considering they were Spartans....

**MAXlMUS** · October 20, 2010, 04:37 PM

i don't know how to put youtube movie but this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joB2btz1yvI

the greatest final stand in history (and they win!)

**MAXlMUS** · October 20, 2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by cpdwane

The Battle of Sphacteria was probably the least awsome last stand ever, especially considering they were Spartans....

not their fault though. little food or water, up against a force of petlasts and archers several times their size who would use guerilla tactics and withdraw easily without the spartans being able to pursue (burned forest ground, and elevated ground). there was no point for them in dying without even being able to fight back

**Manuel I Komnenos** · October 20, 2010, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by cpdwane

The Battle of Sphacteria was probably the least awsome last stand ever, especially considering they were Spartans....

Anyway the only thing the Spartans could do there was to surrender or fight to the last man..
Considering that Sparta was experiencing serious manpower problems and that the captured Spartans were returned to Sparta I think that surrender was for the best..