Abbasid Caliphate

[Saracen86]

first of all i tried 2 mods BC and SS 6.3, am waiting for DotS because i think its would be the best mod for m2tw, question is why DotS team didnt give a chance for the abbasid caliphate to be in the mod am sure everyone know that this caliphate was a superpower in the middle east.

[Resurrection]

first of all i tried 2 mods BC and SS 6.3, am waiting for DotS because i think its would be the best mod for m2tw, question is why DotS team didnt give a chance for the abbasid caliphate to be in the mod am sure everyone know that this caliphate was a superpower in the middle east.

It was a superpower before our timeframe and during it it had long declined and never raised to any real power again (omitting brief period in the first half of 13th century). Perhaps if we had more slots it would be in but out of 30 slots there are way more important factions, sorry.

[sumskilz]

By 945 (334 in the Islamic Calendar), the last of Abbasid territory was captured by the Buyids. Although the Buyids were Shi'ites, they allowed the Caliph to retain some symbolic power in order to grant them some legitimacy among their Sunni subjects. In 1055, Baghdad was then captured by the Seljuks. So by our start date, there was still an Abbasid Caliph, but there wasn't an actual Abbasid Caliphate.

[Hax]

*hisses*
Buyids!

BUYIDS!

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The Abbasid Caliphate was in no shape to do anything. At this time, the Caliphs and their ruling elite were little more than a bunch of drunk hosts of orgies. I'm serious. The days of al-Mansur and Harun al-Rashid had long been gone. They couldn't do anything. Figureheads, all of 'em.

[Saracen86]

true they were bunch of drunk losers and lost everything , well as far as there`s Ayyubids or Mamluks instead of Fatimids am satisfied i`ve been always hated fatimids

[Hax]

Why? The Fatimids were probably the most tolerant of all the Islamic caliphates (although the Ottomans were not known for their intolerance, either). You'll be lucky, though, since we'll have the Fatimids, Ayyubids and the Mamluks. You'll need to do some stuff to be able to transit from the Fatimids to the Ayyubids, though.

[Saracen86]

the name fatimids came from fatima bent mohammed (the prophet) bin abdullah (am sure you know that) so they claimed that they are from ahl al bait which is it wrong, and the first caliphe was obaidallah al mahdi his parents was jewish and after the death of his father abdullah al mahdi married his mother and adopted him, fatimids fought the abbasid to control asham (greater syria) and the moors to control north africa but of course no one can denied what they did for egypt

[sumskilz]

Oh I see you must be Sunni. But it's just a game, you don't have to become a Shia Muslim in order to play the Fatimids. You can play them even if you hate them. Being 1/16th Irish-American, I hate the English 1/16th of the time, but I may still play them.

[Space_Ed]

Oh I see you must be Sunni. But it's just a game, you don't have to become a Shia Muslim in order to play the Fatimids. You can play them even if you hate them. Being 1/16th Irish-American, I hate the English 1/16th of the time, but I may still play them.

[Hax]

Yeah, being quarter Arab I only try to kill 1/4th of all Americans in a room. It works best for me when 1/4 is Armenian (because I'm 1/4th Turkish), 1/4th is American/Persian (because I'm 1/4th Arab) and 1/2...Belgian (because I'm 1/2 Dutch!)

Although in the end, I don't get to kill anyone, because I'm Buddhist.

[gamegeek2]

the name fatimids came from fatima bent mohammed (the prophet) bin abdullah (am sure you know that) so they claimed that they are from ahl al bait which is it wrong, and the first caliphe was obaidallah al mahdi his parents was jewish and after the death of his father abdullah al mahdi married his mother and adopted him, fatimids fought the abbasid to control asham (greater syria) and the moors to control north africa but of course no one can denied what they did for egypt

Most of the various claims of descent of many of the rulers deserve questioning and critical geneological examination. Just as the claim of the Fatimids to descend from Fatima bint Khadija, first daughter of the Prophet, definitely deserves questioning, so does the name of the Ottomans (in Ottoman Turkish, Devlet-i ʿAliyye-yi ʿOsmâniyye, or Modern Turkish Yüce Osmanlı Devlet - either way, both seem to imply descend from Osman, or Uthman, the third of the four Rashidun Caliphs).

[Saracen86]

Most of the various claims of descent of many of the rulers deserve questioning and critical geneological examination. Just as the claim of the Fatimids to descend from Fatima bint Khadija, first daughter of the Prophet, definitely deserves questioning, so does the name of the Ottomans (in Ottoman Turkish, Devlet-i ʿAliyye-yi ʿOsmâniyye, or Modern Turkish Yüce Osmanlı Devlet - either way, both seem to imply descend from Osman, or Uthman, the third of the four Rashidun Caliphs).

Ottomans are not descend from Othman ben affan, they are from a turkoman tribe who removed the seljuks from anatolia and that happend when Othman I was the sultan so they took the name Ottomans.

[gamegeek2]

Ah, I was mistaken. Well, it seems like it would at least have been nice propaganda for the Ottomans :p

[TuCoT]

Yes, no need to be selective in a game. While I am a Turk from Republic of Turkey, I can play with the Byzantine Empire when the mod has been released and even I can crush the Sultanate of Rûm!

[Saracen86]

i didnt mean i hate fatimids so i wont play with it, btw i dont play any muslim faction i prefer catholic, so what i meant is i hate playing with fatimids (ss6.3) wars never stop crusading also and the same units as the moors and i find moors much better so when i found that DotS is offering a transit from fatimids to ayyubids i said it would be great to have new units and such, but when Elphir said the fatimids were probably the most tolerant of all the Islamic caliphates i just wanted to share some information, and sorry if i offended anyone

[sumskilz]

Most if not all of the royalty of Europe are probably descendents of the Prophet Muhammed.

Here's one branch of the geneology if anyone feels ambitious enough to check it:

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The Prophet Muhammad > Fatimah > Al-Hasan > Husain > Zohra > Na’im al-Lakmi > Itaf > Amr > Aslan > Amr > Abbad > Qarais > Ismail(Iman of Seville) > Kadi Abul-Kasim Muhammad I (Chamberlain of Seville) > Abu Amr Abbad ben Muhammad al-Mu'tamid (Chamberlain of Seville) > Abul-Kasim Muhammad ben Abbad al-Mu'tamid (Emir of Seville) > Zaida (converted to Christianity) > Sancha de Castile > Rodrigo de Lara > Sancha de Lara > Aldonza Giron > Aldonza Ramirez > Maria de Henestrona > Maria de Padilla (married Pedro de Castile) > Isabella de Castile (married Edmund Plantagenet) > Richard Plantagenet

[Laser101]

Most if not all of the royalty of Europe are probably descendents of the Prophet Muhammed.

Here's one branch of the geneology if anyone feels ambitious enough to check it:

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The Prophet Muhammad > Fatimah > Al-Hasan > Husain > Zohra > Na’im al-Lakmi > Itaf > Amr > Aslan > Amr > Abbad > Qarais > Ismail(Iman of Seville) > Kadi Abul-Kasim Muhammad I (Chamberlain of Seville) > Abu Amr Abbad ben Muhammad al-Mu'tamid (Chamberlain of Seville) > Abul-Kasim Muhammad ben Abbad al-Mu'tamid (Emir of Seville) > Zaida (converted to Christianity) > Sancha de Castile > Rodrigo de Lara > Sancha de Lara > Aldonza Giron > Aldonza Ramirez > Maria de Henestrona > Maria de Padilla (married Pedro de Castile) > Isabella de Castile (married Edmund Plantagenet) > Joan Plantagenet (married Edward the Black Prince) > Richard II (King of England)

There's a word for this: Ironic.

Also, are the Windsors actually descendants of Richard II?

[sumskilz]

Also, are the Windsors actually descendants of Richard II?

I doubt it. Richard II likely has no living descendents since Richard Maudeyln probably wasn't actually his son.

But, the Windsors do descend from Maria de Padilla who was a descendent of the prophet Mohammed. She is also an ancestor of every English monarch from Edward IV to the present (with the exception of Henry VII) and nearly every other (if not all) European Monarchs for the last few hundred years.

[Laser101]

I doubt it. Richard II likely has no living descendents since Richard Maudeyln probably wasn't actually his son.

But, the Windsors do descend from Maria de Padilla who was a descendent of the prophet Mohammed. She is also an ancestor of every English monarch from Edward IV to the present (with the exception of Henry VII) and nearly every other (if not all) European Monarchs for the last few hundred years.

I can't seem to find how the English line are related to the Castillian royalty, can you produce a tree of some kind?

[sumskilz]

I can't seem to find how the English line are related to the Castillian royalty, can you produce a tree of some kind?

Here you go:

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EDIT: Sorry, I mixed up two Edmunds so this is the correct line from Muhammad to House of Tudor:

The Prophet Muhammad > Fatimah > Al-Hasan > Husain > Zohra > Na’im al-Lakmi > Itaf > Amr > Aslan > Amr > Abbad > Qarais > Ismail (Iman of Seville) > Kadi Abul-Kasim Muhammad I (Chamberlain of Seville) > Abu Amr Abbad ben Muhammad al-Mu'tamid (Chamberlain of Seville) > Abul-Kasim Muhammad ben Abbad al-Mu'tamid (Emir of Seville) > Zaida (converted to Christianity) > Sancha de Castile > Rodrigo de Lara > Sancha de Lara > Aldonza Giron > Aldonza Ramirez > Maria de Henestrona > Maria de Padilla (married Pedro de Castile) > Isabella de Castile (married Edmund Plantagenet) > Richard Plantagenet