OMG Can CA please fix this game

Seriously i im never going to spend any more money on games from CA

The lag is just ridiculas - i really dont understand how every other damn multi game out there doesnt lag and NTW just keeps getting worse.

Hopefully someone from CA will read this and post a response because if it aint fixed b4 shogun i wont be wasting my money on a game that will no doubt be just as laggy if not worse.

im sure alot of people who play multi NTW think they deserve some sort of explaination as to why it lags so much compared to other games. it just cant be crap internet by people playing it. im sure people with crap internet play other multi games i play and the game arnt unplayable like NTW has become.

they cant even fix little annoying bugs like the random rain bug

weak network coding + unstable steam

I want to see some effort to fix the "no response from host" error that seems to haunt so many players, myself included. It does make you think twice about bothering to try a mp battle sometimes when there can be so much time wasted trying to get into a battle at all.

they need dedicated servers up and running and to the same standard as fps servers.problem with the game at the moment is it depends on how fast any given player can play the game, one player lags, all of them lag.oh, and the stupid routers which block the connection half the time.a bit of money would fix things up

Weak network coding + Unstable Steam + Reliance on host's internet + Rendering of over 4000 models plus terrain + Syncing all that rendering with other players= LAG

Originally Posted by Eazyrider

Weak network coding + Unstable Steam + Reliance on host's internet + Rendering of over 4000 models plus terrain + Syncing all that rendering with other players= LAG

No excuse,there is a way around it if enough time and money was put into it but they wont even fix balance issues.I have always stuck up for CA but im just about to give up on this game its just one problem after another and we get no feed back at all.Please someone from CA jump on and tell us they have not given up on this game.

Originally Posted by bushranger

No excuse,there is a way around it if enough time and money was put into it but they wont even fix balance issues.I have always stuck up for CA but im just about to give up on this game its just one problem after another and we get no feed back at all.Please someone from CA jump on and tell us they have not given up on this game.

Not that I'm any expert on the subject, but I think it would be impossible to render 4000 men + terrain on different graphic levels across the world (Not locally like COD) simultaneously for up to 8 players (all indifferent locations) while relying on the host's internet; which by the looks of it these days is no more than 516kps; without a decent bit of lag.

Dedicated servers would be awesome.

I don't see why people should give up on the game because of multiplayer lag? There's campaign, single player, naval, siege and historical battles all up for grabs. Also as long as the host has an awesome internet connection (I'd judge generally around 16mbps) he/she'll be able to host a no lag 4v4. (provided everyone else has decent connections as well) It's all to do with the host's connection. Also there's always a possibility that people could be smart and keep games limited to 2v2s?

And no, I don't need you bbuls's bizarre scenarios where your host had awesome internet and so did everyone else but there was lag...

As for feedback: I'll admit that CA haven't exactly been the best when it comes to evaluating and accepting it.

Originally Posted by Eazyrider

Not that I'm any expert on the subject, but I think it would be impossible to render 4000 men + terrain on different graphic levels across the world (Not locally like COD) simultaneously for up to 8 players (all indifferent locations) while relying on the host's internet; which by the looks of it these days is no more than 516kps; without a decent bit of lag.

im sure they dont render the men individually.they render the vectors and paths of the soldiers-seeing as both players game versions are identical then the game engine renders the battle exactly the same. if you look at a replay, its less than 150KB for most battles.only the paths of the soldiers and units need to be sent over the internet.so the graphics levels only affect the speed at which the battle is rendered by the engine.but any lag in rendering on any end users end will cause the lag to surface.the quality of the connection will make a difference too.most games nowadays need about 256KB, but 512 is enough, the quality is what makes a difference usually.when i play cod, i know it tests latencies amongst ps3 consoles to test what the best host would be.but thats a different thing...

Originally Posted by Eazyrider

Dedicated servers would be awesome.

I don't see why people should give up on the game because of multiplayer lag? There's campaign, single player, naval, siege and historical battles all up for grabs. Also as long as the host has an awesome internet connection (I'd judge generally around 16mbps) he/she'll be able to host a no lag 4v4. (provided everyone else has decent connections as well) It's all to do with the host's connection. Also there's always a possibility that people could be smart and keep games limited to 2v2s?

And no, I don't need you bbuls's bizarre scenarios where your host had awesome internet and so did everyone else but there was lag...

As for feedback: I'll admit that CA haven't exactly been the best when it comes to evaluating and accepting it.

CA need to put some money into the game-its not good enough that they make no significant headway in tackling this issue.lag is a part of like quite a lot of battles i play, but you learn to live with it tbh.with 4vs4s the main issue is that one or more guys' pcs cant handle rendering everything, causing lag, and it follows from there...

Originally Posted by Y@$!N

im sure they dont render the men individually.they render the vectors and paths of the soldiers-seeing as both players game versions are identical then the game engine renders the battle exactly the same. if you look at a replay, its less than 150KB for most battles.only the paths of the soldiers and units need to be sent over the internet.so the graphics levels only affect the speed at which the battle is rendered by the engine.but any lag in rendering on any end users end will cause the lag to surface.the quality of the connection will make a difference too.most games nowadays need about 256KB, but 512 is enough, the quality is what makes a difference usually.when i play cod, i know it tests latencies amongst ps3 consoles to test what the best host would be.but thats a different thing...


CA need to put some money into the game-its not good enough that they make no significant headway in tackling this issue.lag is a part of like quite a lot of battles i play, but you learn to live with it tbh.with 4vs4s the main issue is that one or more guys' pcs cant handle rendering everything, causing lag, and it follows from there...

Replay files are compressed commands and scripts. So that the battle plays out the same; there is no way 150kb=ntw battle. They don't render individually from far as they models become trilinear or whatever graphic setting you've set it on but up close all the men need to be rendered as they each have individual animations, so there is no way they've got grouped rendering. Also you need to sned a lot more than just paths; you will need to send statistics, hit ratios, kills, deaths, animations and many many other factors, if you just sent paths then we both would be playing two VERY different battles. I don't see how your bringing vectors into this though?

Basically what I think the conclusion we've come to is that NTW needs a better more efficient network encoding.

As for all the people whining at its current predicament, I suggest you either only play with people with decent internet or don't play mp. Theres a lot more to NTW than 4v4 mp battles. Just because you can't play out one aspect of the game doesn't mean you should give up on it.

Yep i have to say alot of these comments make sense

This is what really baffles me however - I would be the first to agree that FPS games seem to be likely to less complicated and with dedicated servers etc you are probably less likely to get lag. When i started playing SC2 i thought to myself well this should be interesting this game has some serious graphics and in 4v4 you can end up with a huge ball of units in the middle (like maybe 1000 individual units doing different action - i thought wow how is this not going to lag - answer maybe hmmm regional servers - in australia here i think we play NZ australia and southern asia - and look no lag.

Then in a few weeks ago they added USA servers for aust - wow i bet this will lag - well i gave it a try and holy crap - hardly any lag.

now if you look at the issues we have in NTW multi - host issues - game bugs - lag - crap ive purchased so many god damn games from CA over the years - plus copies for Noodles and all the DLC and damn what do we get in return. NTW is a great game but seriously CA has not done a damn thing to fix any Multi issues.

NTW dose have system requirments. Read them.

The minimial requirments are not enough to play the game at a resionable pace. They are only the minimial requirments to run. Reccomended requirments are preferable to play on or offline. Also keep in mind the requirments are based on average performance needs such as 2 v 2 online games, medium graphic settings etc....

If you want to play the game without lag you need a decent computer. For online you need a decent internet connection and a decent computer.

Also please dont point fingers at people like Steam, CA, or Australia's network for your poor performance, unless you have some hard proof to back your claims. It just makes you look childish.

Originally Posted by Paradigm

If you want to play the game without lag you need a decent computer. For online you need a decent internet connection and a decent computer..

Also, a decent drink to drink while playing, with a decent mouse, decent monitor, decent attitude, decent hairstyle (mohawk), decent figure, decent facial expression when you own and get owned
(mine is and ), a decently close bathroom for consequently drinking to much decent drink the whole time, and finally decent cloths to wear. (Looking good while owning is the most up to date fashion in gaming )

Originally Posted by Paradigm

NTW dose have system requirments. Read them.

The minimial requirments are not enough to play the game at a resionable pace. They are only the minimial requirments to run. Reccomended requirments are preferable to play on or offline. Also keep in mind the requirments are based on average performance needs such as 2 v 2 online games, medium graphic settings etc....

If you want to play the game without lag you need a decent computer. For online you need a decent internet connection and a decent computer.

Also please dont point fingers at people like Steam, CA, or Australia's network for your poor performance, unless you have some hard proof to back your claims. It just makes you look childish.

dont be silly man, i can play the game perfectly smoothly on medium settings with the following "netbook":
1.2Ghz X2 Athlon CPU
4GB DDR2 RAM
ATI Radeon HD 3200 (thats right, integrated! (though with 400MB ded. ram))
250GB HDD

the game plays perfectly smoothly, all the way up to 3vs3s (4vs4s cause some lag),and i think that in most cases im not up to minimum spec.
napoleon plays well on most computers, at least on medium settings.

Hmm... i see some de ja vu here.... too bad you guys arent going to do anything about it.

Omg u cant be serious – minimum requirements – acting childish – u have got to be kidding
I see u study IT well I hope when you finish u don't get bogged down in the mediocraity of the real world and try to make a difference. The best lessons I learnt growing up were to refrain from being condesending to others and not assuming that you are speaking to a dumb ass when talking to others. ASSUME – making an ASS out of U and ME.

But as I havent seen u in multi and u are from Australia – It is likely u don't play multi NTW. So u maybe just trolling.

Well my friend can I just point out im not running a 486 – I actually work in IT and manage a network over 600 users at multiple locations -- so I do think I have a bit of an idea about puters.

My home infrastructure I would price at close to 40000 – 5 pcs networked, 1 laptop, dedicated server, 2 spare pcs, media centre, 3 printer 2 scanners and over 200m of cabling, Merc keyboards and razor mice not to mention my ISP plan is probably the best in aust. The oldest machine I have networked is maybe 30 months old and the newest is the one I use, I finished building 3 weeks ago which is very kickass – I can t be bothered to tell u the specs but seriously – all I do is read specs and benchmarks all day and do testing – and trust me I don't skimp on hardware when it comes to PCs so I really doubt my problem is minimum requirements. If my internet burps – I want answers from my ISP and I get answers bcus as a consumer I have rights – and yes I still get great service from Telstra.
Most of my PCs are constantly running and at any given time we have up to 3 machines running multi games, my son and I in different TS channels as well as my daughters surfing youtube on their pcs with little or no latency issues experienced. That is of course until my son or I want to play NTW multi.

So please tell me why I cant have a reasonable expectation that known issues should not be addressed in NTW multi.

With anything you purchase - you sorta have a right to expect reasonable performance or altneratively as a provider of services I should provide a reasonable level of service to ensure the marketability of my products or even post information to help peps troubleshoot and above all keep people informed. I find this is how the world works – even Microsoft gets this - all be it sometimes a bit slower than we should reasonably expect.

Basically CA have addressed basically NIL , narda, None of the issues which we as multiplayers of NTW have experienced. I surf multiple forums for lots of different games and im always supprised with the number of responses by the developers of software to issues or questions raised. Considering this forum is pretty much the dedicated forum for TW u would think CA may show a bit of interest – ive been on this forum since the start of ETW and don't recall any time ive seen a response from someone in CA to a multi player issue.

I doubt u play multi NTW bcus if you did u would know the issues.

Hmmm – you say hard proof – well m8 the greater world doesn't revolve around peps demanding hard proof b4 things are set in motion – I think u will find if an issue pops up on a dedicated forum – and u can bet most organisations monitor there key forums – they then do some testing and then respond. But if you want hard proof play the damn game u will soon see the lag and bugs. I sure as hell have complained and unfortunately both steam or CA just buck pass between each other without the slightest concern of what a poor experience NTW has become. If any of the big online multi games had the same sort of issues no one would play them and I bet those organisations would be going into overdrive to correct them.

Have you ever rang someone for customer support – well I have and ive never had one demand I send them hard proof. There is whats called a reasonable expectation that an issue exists when you call a customer call centre.

in business you cant afford to just fob people off time and time again and do nothing and expect loyality.

Hmmm maybe it all stems from the fact only about 1000 people play NTW multi of we have no voice in the big picture.

But Lucky CA have peps like u on the forum to continue blaming the gamers for having computers and calling peps dumb asses.

Oh and by the way I know alot of these guys on this forum and most of them have new built machines and all experience the same damn issues - actually most of these guys do youtube battle vids – so I would think most are high speced machines.
I created this thread to vent my despair that NTW multi player has progressively deteriated over the months since release and all bugs and issues seem to fall on deaf ears even though I suspect many others have complained direct to CA.

I can sure as hell say – at 45 years old and not being some noob that s about things without good reason that if I worked for CA I would be taking a far more proactive role regardless of whether there was 2 or 2 million playing NTW multi.

NTW could have continued to be such an excellent multi experience but with the current trend CA seems to be quite apathetic.

Well honestly all I can say is – how can we expect anything better from CA when Shogun is released.


Well paradigm you may think this is all a bit childish but i have a crap load of money and now semi retired and i like gaming and im more than happy to send it the way of some other software developer who gives a about the multi players. Ive been a hard core gamer since space invaders and purchased every game CA released my friend and hope to continue for another 40 years or so but i know when im being shafted and NTW multi is being shafted.

i learned more about termi than i have in the few months ive been in huntsman.

epic

well its kinda funny - have u seen my huntsman pic

lots of people automatically make assumptions about me from the way i look. my wife gets really annoyed when we go out as i often get mistaken for a bum.

i just like the natural look and i dont really care what other people think about the way i look

but i really hate when people make out im a dumbass


ps another thing i forgot to mention - i honestly cant think of any other multi game released this year which lags this bad or had issues or bugs which have been totally ignored by the software developer. Maybe even if they addressed the random rain bug we could at least be optimistic about the future of NTW multi. Throw us a bone CA - Fix something

Originally Posted by terminator acheron

well its kinda funny - have u seen my huntsman pic

lots of people automatically make assumptions about me from the way i look. my wife gets really annoyed when we go out as i often get mistaken for a bum.

i just like the natural look and i dont really care what other people think about the way i look

but i really hate when people make out im a dumbass

First of all I thought you were a teen like me when I first faced you in etw in our epic showdown that resulted in the extinction of a map. I also disagree with your wife because carrying around a bottle of beer in a paper bag does not mean your a bum but only a guy looking for a great night.

I like your natural look because you have an epic beard and you look like a badass that will kick anyone's ass that talks crap. So epic beard man, that's a hardcore gamer, has a wife, has an awesome high paying job, has a great hardcore gamer son; has to be a God among Gamers.

(The only gamer I rate after you has to be Geoff Ramsey from Rooster Teeth/Achievement Hunter)

P.S

When you make these lists on lists of carefully put words, I think it clears out any thought of you as a dumb ass. I can barely make a sentence without misspelling a wrod ()

i've virtually stopped playing ntw because of all the lag. i loved ntw but why play a game which just annoys me so much. if anything CA have made it worse and worse to the point its almost unplayable online. i have got a decent pc and i have got a very good internet conn. i wont be buying shogun until its in the brgain basement in my local gameshop.
that game will be super buggy and cos it will have better graphics etc etc than ntw u know its gonna lag lag lag.
also i think that paradigm guy who posted is talking out of his rear end. he is probs employed by CA to say we have craps pc's and connections cos its easier than sorting out its own probs out...

Most people no there pc limits or dont have to worry about gfx at all so to suggest that is the main problems we have with lag is gfx related is a bit silly.
The reason im starting to get annoyed is the problem is getting worse,the last 3 weeks has been bad.A couple of months after release after they did a few changes it didnt seem much like a problem and i could use groups,press the run button and it worked,also i could hold the spacebar down and see where my men were going,now those thing are dodgy i assume because of lag,there has been no updates for ages so it has to be lag.

Last night i tried to drop into 4 or 5 battles and every time there was a dysyc,so i played my own camp and when a good battle along i tried to get danui to drop in against me,we both would of had a full stack plus a full stack of reserves so it would have been a awesome game.After a lot of effort he was finally able to join,we get to the map see our army's,then dysync.That sort of thing really pisses people off and it would be good to no if they are even looking into it.