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    Hello all. I thought maybe a thread of warfare-related quotations from ancient authors would be of interest to all RTW lovers. The tactics ancient commanders used in reality worked differently from how they do in RTW, but I wonder if some of them can be used with success in the game.

    I'll start with some tidbits from Xenophon's Anabasis, which tells the tale of how 10000 Greek soldiers stranded in the middle of the Persian empire heroically managed to battle their way home after taking part in an unsuccessful attempt at overthrowing Artaxerxes II . Xenophon, an Athenian warrior, writer and disciple of Socrates, took part in that adventure.


    -Xenophon said: "I am not for advancing in line, but advise to form companies by columns. To begin with, the line," he urged, "would be scattered and thrown into disorder at once; for we shall find the mountain full of inequalities, it will be pathless here and easy to traverse there. The mere fact of first having formed in line, and then seeing the line thrown into disorder, must exercise a disheartening effect. Again, if we advance several deep, the enemy will none the less overlap us, and turn their superfluous numbers to account as best they like; while, if we march in shallow order, we may fully expect our line to be cut through and through by the thick rain of missiles and rush of men, and if this happen anywhere along the line, the whole line will equally suffer. No; my notion is to form columns by companies, covering ground sufficient with spaces between the companies to allow the last companies of each flank to be outside the enemy's flanks. Thus we shall with our extreme companies be outside the enemy's line, and the best men at the head of their columns will lead the attack, and every company will pick its way where the ground is easy; also it will be difficult for the enemy to force his way into the intervening spaces, when there are companies on both sides; nor will it be easy for him to cut in twain any individual company marching in column. If, too, any particular company should be pressed, the neighbouring company will come to the rescue, or if at any point any single company succeed in reaching the height, from that moment not one man of the enemy will stand his ground."



    -Next day the Hellenes were bent on getting back with the provisions; but as they dreaded the descent to Trapezus, which was precipitous and narrow, they laid a false ambuscade, and a Mysian, called after the name of his nation (Mysus), took ten of the Cretans and halted in some thick brushy ground, where he made a feint of endeavouring to escape the notice of the enemy. The glint of their light shields, which were of brass, now and again gleamed through the brushwood. The enemy, seeing it all through the thicket, were confirmed in their fears of an ambuscade. But the army meanwhile was quietly making its descent; and when it appeared that they had crept down far enough, the signal was given to the Mysian to flee as fast as he could, and he, springing up, fled with his men.




    And here are some from Vegetius' treaty on the military institutions of the romans:


    -NOT TO CUT, BUT TO THRUST WITH THE SWORD
    They[roman army recruits] were likewise taught not to cut but to thrust with their swords. For the
    Romans not only made a jest of those who fought with the edge of that
    weapon, but always found them an easy conquest. A stroke with the edges,
    though made with ever so much force, seldom kills, as the vital parts of the
    body are defended both by the bones and armor. On the contrary, a stab,
    though it penetrates but two inches, is generally fatal. Besides in the
    attitude of striking, it is impossible to avoid exposing the right arm and
    side; but on the other hand, the body is covered while a thrust is given, and
    the adversary receives the point before he sees the sword. This was the
    method of fighting principally used by the Romans, and their reason for
    exercising recruits with arms of such a weight at first was, that when they
    came to carry the common ones so much lighter, the greater difference
    might enable them to act with greater security and alacrity in time of action.


    -THE SLING
    Recruits are to be taught the art of throwing stones both with the hand and
    sling. The inhabitants of the Balearic Islands are said to have been the
    inventors of slings, and to have managed them with surprising dexterity,
    owing to the manner of bringing up their children. The children were not
    allowed to have their food by their mothers till they had first struck it with
    their sling.
    Soldiers, notwithstanding their defensive armor, are often more
    annoyed by the round stones from the sling than by all the arrows of the
    enemy. Stones kill without mangling the body, and the contusion is mortal
    without loss of blood. It is universally known the ancients employed
    slingers in all their engagements. There is the greater reason for instructing
    all troops, without exception, in this exercise, as the sling cannot be
    reckoned any incumbrance, and often is of the greatest service, especially
    when they are obliged to engage in stony places, to defend a mountain or an
    eminence, or to repulse an enemy at the attack of a castle or city.


    -The triarii, according to their method of discipline, rested in time of action
    on one knee
    , under cover of their shields, so that in this position they might
    be less exposed to the darts of the enemy than if they stood upright; and
    also, when there was a necessity for bringing them up, that they might be
    fresh, in full vigor and charge with the greater impetuosity. There have
    been many instances of their gaining a complete victory after the entire
    defeat of both the principes and hastati.


    -Your first care is to secure your left wing from being surrounded by the
    enemy's numbers
    or attacked in flank or rear by flying platoons, a
    misfortune that often happens. Nor is your right to be neglected, though
    less frequently in danger. There is only one remedy for this: to wheel back
    your wing and throw it into a circular position. By this evolution your
    soldiers meet the enemy on the quarter attacked and defend the rear of
    their comrades. But your best men should be posted on the angles of the
    flanks, since it is against them the enemy make their principal efforts.



    -Elephants by their vast size, horrible noise and the novelty of their form are
    at first very terrible both to men and horses.
    Pyrrhus first used them
    against the Romans in Lucania. And afterwards Hannibal brought them into
    the field in Africa. Antiochus in the east and Jugurtha in Numidia had great
    numbers. Many expedients have been used against them. In Lucania a
    centurion cut off the trunk of one with his sword. Two soldiers armed from
    head to foot in a chariot drawn by two horses, also covered with armor,
    attacked these beasts with lances of great length. They were secured by
    their armor from the archers on the elephants and avoided the fury of the
    animals by the swiftness of their horses. Foot soldiers completely armored,
    with the addition of long iron spikes fixed on their arms, shoulders and
    helmets, to prevent the elephant from seizing them with his trunk, were
    also employed against them.
    But among the ancients, the velites usually engaged them. They were young
    soldiers, lightly armed, active and very expert in throwing their missile
    weapons on horseback. These troops kept hovering round the elephants
    continually and killed them with large lances and javelins. Afterwards, the
    soldiers, as their apprehensions decreased, attacked them in a body and,
    throwing their javelins together, destroyed them by the multitude of
    wounds. Slingers with round stones from the fustibalus and sling killed
    both the men who guided the elephants and the soldiers who fought in the
    towers on their backs. This was found by experience to be the best and
    safest expedient. At other times on the approach of these beasts, the
    soldiers opened their ranks and let them pass through. When they got into
    the midst of the troops, who surrounded them on all sides, they were
    captured with their guards unhurt.
    Last edited by Hobbes1; October 20, 2010 at 02:02 AM.

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    cool thanks for taking the time to post this

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    Pharsalia, bk 3.779ff Tyrrhenus high
    Upon the bulwarks of his ship was struck
    By leaden bolt from Balearic sling Of Lygdamus; straight through his temples passed
    The fated missile; and in streams of blood
    Forced from their seats his trembling eyeballs fell.


    Pharsalia, bk 6.250ff But lo! from far
    A Cretan archer's shaft, more sure of aim
    Than vows could hope for, strikes on Scaeva's brow
    To light within his eye: the hero tugs
    Intrepid, bursts the nerves, and tears the shaft
    Forth with the eyeball, and with dauntless heel
    Treads them to dust.


    Everyone loves Balearic Slingers and Cretan Archers. Go for the eyes Boo! *squeak*

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    Here it is, the complete Epitoma rei militaris by Vegetius, no copyright infringement at all

    An excerpt:

    VARIOUS FORMATIONS FOR BATTLE

    An army may be drawn up for a general engagement in seven different
    formations. The first formation is an oblong square of a large front, of
    common use both in ancient and modern times, although not thought the
    best by various judges of the service, because an even and level plain of an
    extent sufficient to contain its front cannot always be found, and if there
    should be any irregularity or hollow in the line, it is often pierced in that
    part. Besides, an enemy superior in number may surround either your right
    or left wing, the consequence of which will be dangerous, unless you have a
    reserve ready to advance and sustain his attack. A general should make use
    of this disposition only when his forces are better and more numerous than
    the enemy's, it being thereby in his power to attack both the flanks and
    surround them on every side.

    The second and best disposition is the oblique. For although your army
    consists of few troops, yet good and advantageously posted, it will greatly
    contribute to your obtaining the victory, notwithstanding the numbers and
    bravery of the enemy. It is as follows: as the armies are marching up to the
    attack, your left wing must be kept back at such a distance from the enemy's
    right as to be out of reach of their darts and arrows. Your right wing must
    advance obliquely upon the enemy's left, and begin the engagement. And
    you must endeavor with your best cavalry and infantry to surround the
    wing with which you are engaged, make it give way and fall upon the enemy
    in the rear. If they once give ground and the attack is properly seconded,
    you will undoubtedly gain the victory, while your left wing, which continued
    at a distance, will remain untouched. An army drawn up in this manner
    bears some resemblance to the letter A or a mason's level. If the enemy
    should be beforehand with you in this evolution, recourse must be had to
    the supernumerary horse and foot posted as a reserve in the rear, as I
    mentioned before. They must be ordered to support your left wing. This
    will enable you to make a vigorous resistance against the artifice of the
    enemy.

    The third formation is like the second, but not so good, as it obliges you to
    begin the attack with your left wing on the enemy's right.
    The efforts of
    soldiers on the left are weak and imperfect from their exposed and
    defective situation in the line. I will explain this formation more clearly.
    Although your left wing should be much better than your right, yet it must
    be reinforced with some of the best horse and foot and ordered to
    commence the acnon with the enemy's right in order to disorder and
    surround it as expeditiously as possible. And the other part of your army,
    composed of the worst troops, should remain at such a distance from the
    enemy's left as not to be annoyed by their darts or in danger of being
    attacked sword in hand. In this oblique formation care must be taken to
    prevent the line being penetrated by the wedges of the enemy, and it is to be
    employed only when the enemy's right wing is weak and your greatest
    strength is on your left.

    The fourth formation is this: as your army is marching to the attack in order
    of battle and you come within four or five hundred paces of the enemy, both
    your wings must be ordered unexpectedly to quicken their pace and
    advance with celerity upon them.
    When they find themselves attacked on
    both wings at the same time, the sudden surprise may so disconcert them as
    to give you an easy victory. But although this method, if your troops are
    very resolute and expert, may ruin the enemy at once, yet it is hazardous.
    The general who attempts it is obliged to abandon and expose his center
    and to divide his army into three parts. If the enemy are not routed at the
    first charge, they have a fair opportunity of attacking the wings which are
    separated from each other and the center which is destitute of assistance.

    The fifth formation resembles the fourth but with this addition: the light
    infantry and the archers are formed before the center to cover it from the
    attempts of the enemy.
    With this precaution the general may safely follow
    the above mentioned method and attack the enemy's left wing with his
    right, and their right with his left. If he puts them to flight, he gains an
    immediate victory, and if he fails of success his center is in no danger, being
    protected by the light infantry and archers.

    The sixth formation is very good and almost like the second. It is used when
    the general cannot depend either on the number or courage of his troops.
    If
    made with judgment, notwithstanding his inferiority, he has often a good
    chance for victory. As your line approaches the enemy, advance your right
    wing against their left and begin the attack with your best cavalry and
    infantry. At the same time keep the rest of the army at a great distance from
    the enemy's right, extended in a direct line like a javelin. Thus if you can
    surround their left and attack it in flank and rear, you must inevitably defeat
    them. It is impossible for the enemy to draw off reinforcements from their
    right or from their center to sustain their left in this emergency, since the
    remaining part of your army is extended and at a great distance from them
    in the form of the letter L. It is a formation often used in an action on a
    march.

    The seventh formation owes its advantages to the nature of the ground and
    will enable you to oppose an enemy with an army inferior both in numbers
    and goodness
    , provided one of your flanks can be covered either with an
    eminence, the sea, a river, a lake, a city, a morass or broken ground
    inaccessible to the enemy. The rest of the army must be formed, as usual, in
    a straight line and the unsecured flank must be protected by your light
    troops and all your cavalry. Sufficiently defended on one side by the nature
    of the ground and on the other by a double support of cavalry, you may then
    safely venture on action.

    One excellent and general rule must be observed. If you intend to engage
    with your right wing only, it must be composed of your best troops.
    And the
    same method must be taken with respect to the left. Or if you intend to
    penetrate the enemy's line, the wedges which you form for that purpose
    before your center, must consist of the best disciplined soldiers. Victory in
    general is gained by a small number of men. Therefore the wisdom of a
    general appears in nothing more than in such choice of disposition of his
    men as is most consonant with reason and service.
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