Revolutions are stupid.

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  1. 43rdFoot's Avatar

    43rdFoot said:

    Default Revolutions are stupid.

    So I have this awesome GB campaign going. I'm kicking France's ass everywhere, got great allies, am making a killing in trade, etc.


    Then one god damned French corvette attacks my main port. It takes me two turns to get to it because I foolishly had my channel fleet elsewhere.

    In that time the country went bankrupt, and I had a revolution. Without any sort of earlier save, now I'm ed because if I side with the revolutionaries all my allies declare war on me, and if I side with the government I lose the campaign. That's ing retarded. When, in the history of mankind, has a revolution over bankruptcy happened in four god damned weeks?
    This means I have to start from square one because of one ing corvette, and I honestly don't even feel like even going through the motions again.

    ing lame.
     
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    antred said:

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    What really is stupid is the fact that a single corvette can enforce a total blockade and even enter a hostile port at its convenience. Fleets should have to have a certain minimum strength in order to be able to force an entry into an enemy port.
     
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    Invictus XII said:

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    Revolutions are stupid ehh.... You won't want to look at my sig then
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    Ulysses said:

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    That's an incredibly short-fused London population you got.
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    calicheSCOT said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses View Post
    That's an incredibly short-fused London population you got.
    Well, you know what they say about the English talent for whining.
    "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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    Prince of Darkness said:

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    Just in case your economy got ruined by a single corvette, park a small fleet just outside of your main ports. They are able to intercept any Merchantmens and small crafts.
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  7. Didz said:

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    That's why I always keep a small cheap ship (sloop, or trade ship) in every port, and never move my channel fleet away from the channel.

    But look on it as a learning experience, you only make this mistake once, and then you learn to protect your trade ports.
     
  8. Eggyolkhio said:

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    A month without tea and I'd go nuts too.
     
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    Ulysses said:

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    Oh yes, the British Art of Complaining.
    It's got a school essay genre of its own.
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  10. .Mitch. said:

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    If you don't keep a fleet in the one thing seperating you from your greatest enemy and biggest threat, the channel, you deserve to lose that campaign anyway. If TW was anything like accurate it would be the case.

    Although I do agree with antred.
     
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    Dubh the dark said:

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    Lol, I feel for you, French blockaded me when my fleet was in Spain , but no-one rebelled . I'd say keep going expand your fleet and blockade every French port in revenge
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  12. Niftyeye said:

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    Yeah, I had this on a game as well, was doing a great job of building up and getting an army going.

    A single french ship blocked my ports and I sent my Fleet stupidly to attack it when another French Fleet swooped in and defeated it.

    I was stuck with no income and I had rebellion everywhere.

    Then I restarted the game and now I always put a single troop in each port (to prevent its capture) and ALWAYS have a fairly powerful channel Fleet stationed nearby, atleast until you gain Naval Superiority over the french, which isnt too hard.
     
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    micheljq said:

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    Indeed the French revolution began when the monarch's coffers were empty. Whe playing the british, always leave a fleet in the channel or near it, when playing any faction, do not overbuild your army, look at your income and expenses always, and make sure you have reserve funds in the tresory.

    Looks like you spent too much on military too early.
     
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    43rdFoot said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by micheljq View Post
    Indeed the French revolution began when the monarch's coffers were empty. Whe playing the british, always leave a fleet in the channel or near it, when playing any faction, do not overbuild your army, look at your income and expenses always, and make sure you have reserve funds in the tresory.

    Looks like you spent too much on military too early.

    I'm a little less pissed about it this morning. Yeah, I should have not moved my channel fleet away from the channel. But it still seems absolutely ridiculous that I would have a revolution, including a full stack of light horse, cannon, and infantry, in one month. It's absurd that it should be that fast.
     
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    ReignTerror said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43rdFoot View Post
    I'm a little less pissed about it this morning. Yeah, I should have not moved my channel fleet away from the channel. But it still seems absolutely ridiculous that I would have a revolution, including a full stack of light horse, cannon, and infantry, in one month. It's absurd that it should be that fast.
    First thing I did was mod out the rebels now they spawn mostly stacks of militia with one or two elites... the mod is in the forums somewhere... I can't find it tho...
     
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    DarkArk said:

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    Really, for not defending your main source of income, you had that one coming. How hard is it to leave a single ship in your port?
     
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    calicheSCOT said:

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    In theory of course it was possible to blockade a port with only one ship, particuarly a strong fast frigate which could pick off the fat merchantmen one by one if they tried to leave port. However it couldn't last for very long, changes in the weather would guarantee that the blockading ship would have to move further away from the coast or return to base to refit and supply. What I think would work best is that the effectiveness of a blockade depends on the number of ships in the stack and the size of the port.
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    pattonrommel said:

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    Is does seem a little ahistorical for one ships fleets to be blocking trade so directly. It makes sense as a game strategy, but in real life that would have been a guaranteed suicide mission much less an effective use of a ship. Especially in once instance where Spain sent a first rate ship of the line to one of my English ports on its lonesome (most likely one of her last), which was a headache for me but a relatively easy kill.
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    wulfgar610 said:

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    That's what militia are there for and historically what they did. The Bristish had 65,000 militia by the end of the wars. Only takes one inexpensive militia man to guard a port.
    Small fleets invading ports did happen historically.

    A single ship on the campaign map might represent several boats. The British had 200 Sol and 600 smaller ships and boats by the end of the wars.
     
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    43rdFoot said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by wulfgar610 View Post
    That's what militia are there for and historically what they did. The Bristish had 65,000 militia by the end of the wars. Only takes one inexpensive militia man to guard a port.
    Small fleets invading ports did happen historically.

    A single ship on the campaign map might represent several boats. The British had 200 Sol and 600 smaller ships and boats by the end of the wars.

    I had militia in the ports. But that didn't stop the ship from blockading it, cutting off all my monies.

    I got over my frustration from last night, and started a new campaign, which so far has been better. I won't be making the same mistakes twice.