What New Factions Should Be Included in Medieval III:Total War?

[Exarch]

given how excellent M2:TW is, and how much Empires sucked, i have my hopes up for the next M3:TW
unfortunately given how rich the medieval period was, CA couldnt put all the political entities existing in europea at the time, so what new factions should be included, y' reckon?

i definitely think

1) bulgarian empire
2) serbian kingdom
3) armenian kingdoms

and some other factions which some modders have so kindly added on their own
like the kievan rus'

it'd also be a great idea to expand the map to include political entities in central and eastern asia as well

[cenkiss]

Aragon

[homefry]

mongols and timurids as playable.

the largest kingdom in the era not playable is a joke... i know it can be modded, but yeah, so can any other faction someone says.

[Ishan]

Flanders and Burgundy.

[Druvatar De Bodemloze]

Flanders and Burgundy.

these (are in my mod already) Florentia Le D`uchie D`Aquittane`
the Sultanate of Tunisia, Caliphate of Tangiers, Casa de Navarre` all are in my mod! plus the duchy of Cornwall, the commonwealth of Ireland and the hre is broken into Haus von Saxony (western imperial) Haus Von Bohemia (Eastern imperial)

[Jiub]

If such a game will ever come out (being realistic here), there probably won't be any rebels at all. If you look at Empire and Napoleon and Shogun2, that's the direction they're going in right now. Excepting some rogue armies or navies of course.

[shikaka]

- Al-Andalus
- Kingdom of Georgia
- Lithuanian tribes
- Cuman confederacy
- Armenia
- split Rus to Kiev/Novgorod/Suzdal
- Wallachia
- Aragon
- Ireland
- Norway
- split HRE into: Mainz, Trier, Cologne, Saxony, Bohemia, Brandenburg, Palatinate and introduce a pope election-like system to decide emperor
- Bulgaria


Bolded what would be the most important for me.

[RollingWave]

The Stainless steel roster is a good start..... it really depends but if we assume that there's a much higher cap on faction limit while still being roughly the same area and time frame then I can think of.... (in early .. either 1080 or 1100)

Iberian area
Aragon
Castilla & Leon
Navarre
Portugal
Almoravid (moors)

France & British isles
Kingdom of France
Kingdom of England
Kingdom of Ireland
Kingdom of Scotland
Kingdom of Wales
Kingdom of Arles (Burgundy, tough though, since their kings were often the HRE emperor)

North Africa
Almoravids
Almohads (will spawn out later as an emerging faction)
Zirid dynasty (early tunisian dynasty, although they were screwed by 1080 enough that rebel representing them wouldn't be that wrong)
Hasfanid dynasty(later period tunisian dynasty)
Fatimid caliph
Ayyubid (event spawn)
Mamluk dynasty (event and later era)

Central and Northern Europe
Holy Roman empire, probably with more civil war elements built into it.
Kingdom of Denmark
Kingdom of Sweden
Kingdom of Norway
County of Flanders

Italian area
Republic of Venice
Republic of Genoa
Republic of Pisa
Republic of Florence
Repbulic of Milan
Holy Roman empire
Papal State
Kingdom of Siciliy
Byzantium empire (depend on the starting date)

Eastern Europe
Kingdom of Poland
Kingdom of Hungary
Lithuanian tribes
Lativian tribes
Livonian order (emergent)
Teutonic order (emergent)
Estonian tribes
Holy roman empire
Kingdom of Bulgaria
Kingdom of Wallachia (maybe as an emergent faction later on though could be counted as part of Bulgaria anyway)
Kingdom of Serbia
Kingdom of Croatia
Repbulic of Novogrod
Kievian Rus

Mid east and central asia
Fatimid caliph
Abbasid Caliph
Crusader states
Great Seljuq
Seljuq sultanate of Rum
Ottoman turks (event and late period)
Zengid dynasty
Shahdom of Kwarezm
Kingdom of Georgia
Kingdom of Armenia
Cuman Khanate
Mongolian Khanate (emergent, probably split into Ilkhante and golden horde later)
Timurid

[shikaka]

Iberian area
Aragon
Castilla & Leon
Navarre
Portugal
Almoravid (moors)

Almoravids were not in Iberia in 1080. There were independent taifas, who later invited the Almoravids after the fall of Toledo.

[RollingWave]

Almoravids were not in Iberia in 1080. There were independent taifas, who later invited the Almoravids after the fall of Toledo.

that is correct, though it depend on the exact starting date of course (the SS mod for example starts in 1100, which makes things a lot easier on places like Iberia and the Crusader states), and the first invitation of the almoravid already happened in 1086, though outright absorbtion of the taifa happened in the comming decade.

[Fireright]

Aragon made the cut in Med1VI and should've been in M2.

Maybe some stuff in Scand/Baltic areas and and an extra Islamic faction.

A real shocker to find no Aragon in Med2.

[shikaka]

Aragon made the cut in Med1VI and should've been in M2.

On the plus side, Portugal is in, while it only became a kingdom in 1139.

Maybe some stuff in Scand/Baltic areas and and an extra Islamic faction.

I think the best would be to have additional orthodox/islamic/pagan nations:
- Al-Andalus (representing the weak taifas before the fall of Toledo)
- Kingdom of Georgia
- Lithuanian tribes
- Cuman confederacy
- Armenia
- split Rus to Kiev/Novgorod

that is +1 islam, +2 pagan, +3 orthodox

[Exarch]

The Stainless steel roster is a good start..... it really depends but if we assume that there's a much higher cap on faction limit while still being roughly the same area and time frame then I can think of.... (in early .. either 1080 or 1100)

Iberian area
Aragon
Castilla & Leon
Navarre
Portugal
Almoravid (moors)

France & British isles
Kingdom of France
Kingdom of England
Kingdom of Ireland
Kingdom of Scotland
Kingdom of Wales
Kingdom of Arles (Burgundy, tough though, since their kings were often the HRE emperor)

North Africa
Almoravids
Almohads (will spawn out later as an emerging faction)
Zirid dynasty (early tunisian dynasty, although they were screwed by 1080 enough that rebel representing them wouldn't be that wrong)
Hasfanid dynasty(later period tunisian dynasty)
Fatimid caliph
Ayyubid (event spawn)
Mamluk dynasty (event and later era)

Central and Northern Europe
Holy Roman empire, probably with more civil war elements built into it.
Kingdom of Denmark
Kingdom of Sweden
Kingdom of Norway
County of Flanders

Italian area
Republic of Venice
Republic of Genoa
Republic of Pisa
Republic of Florence
Repbulic of Milan
Holy Roman empire
Papal State
Kingdom of Siciliy
Byzantium empire (depend on the starting date)

Eastern Europe
Kingdom of Poland
Kingdom of Hungary
Lithuanian tribes
Lativian tribes
Livonian order (emergent)
Teutonic order (emergent)
Estonian tribes
Holy roman empire
Kingdom of Bulgaria
Kingdom of Wallachia (maybe as an emergent faction later on though could be counted as part of Bulgaria anyway)
Kingdom of Serbia
Kingdom of Croatia
Repbulic of Novogrod
Kievian Rus

Mid east and central asia
Fatimid caliph
Abbasid Caliph
Crusader states
Great Seljuq
Seljuq sultanate of Rum
Ottoman turks (event and late period)
Zengid dynasty
Shahdom of Kwarezm
Kingdom of Georgia
Kingdom of Armenia
Cuman Khanate
Mongolian Khanate (emergent, probably split into Ilkhante and golden horde later)
Timurid

this
i just cannot wait to make vassals of all of them

[Pericles of Athens]

The Stainless steel roster is a good start..... it really depends but if we assume that there's a much higher cap on faction limit while still being roughly the same area and time frame then I can think of.... (in early .. either 1080 or 1100)

Iberian area
Aragon
Castilla & Leon
Navarre
Portugal
Almoravid (moors)

France & British isles
Kingdom of France
Kingdom of England
Kingdom of Ireland
Kingdom of Scotland
Kingdom of Wales
Kingdom of Arles (Burgundy, tough though, since their kings were often the HRE emperor)

North Africa
Almoravids
Almohads (will spawn out later as an emerging faction)
Zirid dynasty (early tunisian dynasty, although they were screwed by 1080 enough that rebel representing them wouldn't be that wrong)
Hasfanid dynasty(later period tunisian dynasty)
Fatimid caliph
Ayyubid (event spawn)
Mamluk dynasty (event and later era)

Central and Northern Europe
Holy Roman empire, probably with more civil war elements built into it.
Kingdom of Denmark
Kingdom of Sweden
Kingdom of Norway
County of Flanders

Italian area
Republic of Venice
Republic of Genoa
Republic of Pisa
Republic of Florence
Repbulic of Milan
Holy Roman empire
Papal State
Kingdom of Siciliy
Byzantium empire (depend on the starting date)

Eastern Europe
Kingdom of Poland
Kingdom of Hungary
Lithuanian tribes
Lativian tribes
Livonian order (emergent)
Teutonic order (emergent)
Estonian tribes
Holy roman empire
Kingdom of Bulgaria
Kingdom of Wallachia (maybe as an emergent faction later on though could be counted as part of Bulgaria anyway)
Kingdom of Serbia
Kingdom of Croatia
Repbulic of Novogrod
Kievian Rus

Mid east and central asia
Fatimid caliph
Abbasid Caliph
Crusader states
Great Seljuq
Seljuq sultanate of Rum
Ottoman turks (event and late period)
Zengid dynasty
Shahdom of Kwarezm
Kingdom of Georgia
Kingdom of Armenia
Cuman Khanate
Mongolian Khanate (emergent, probably split into Ilkhante and golden horde later)
Timurid

Forgot about all of the americas i say this list and for the americas they will have maya tarscans talaxcans apache aztecs etc.

[Darkan]

Kingdom of Wallachia (maybe as an emergent faction later on though could be counted as part of Bulgaria anyway)

Incorrect
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Sorry for the double post (though I am referring to two different things) but with so many ideas, vassals, new kings and kingdoms, declaration of independecne and whatnot, I have the slight feeling you are no longer talking about the TW series but about other games. Maybe a great game would be something of a mix between M2TW and EU3? Just a thought.

[Xerrop]

unfortunately given how rich the medieval period was, CA couldnt put all the political entities existing in europea at the time, so what new factions should be included, y' reckon?

First of all after ETW and NTW there won´t be rebells anymore. So we will see 50+ factions. But still only 12 or so playable.

But when you ask about a few I would say add the missing ones from the first MTW:
1.) Aragon
2.) Swiss (starting only in late era - but emergent in early and high)
3.) Burgundy (emergent)

And a personal wish would be a pagan faction - more religions, more fun:
4.) Lithuania

@Fireright - I think Portugal was choosen because of the age of exploration and the american provinces. As this wasn´t featured in MTW there was no need for them in the older game. But still a shame that they missed Aragon and created no new provinces in M2:TW, so Portugal started with Navarre ...

[ChivalrousKiller]

A few? No...

Here's my list (some will have to be emerging):
Crown of Aragon
Kingdom of Norway
Kingdom of Sweden
Kingdom of Ireland
Wales
Repubblica Fiorentina
Flanders
Swiss Confederacy
Novgorod (in addition to Kievan Rus)
Lithuania
Teutonic Order
Kingdom of Jerusalem (and the other Crusader states)
Armenian Cilicia
Serenissima Repubblica di Genova
Bulgarian Empire
Principality of Serbia
Kingdom of Georgia
Incas
Apachean Tribes

[Mario99880]

A few? No...

Here's my list (some will have to be emerging):
Crown of Aragon
Kingdom of Norway
Kingdom of Sweden
Kingdom of Ireland
Wales
Repubblica Fiorentina
Flanders
Swiss Confederacy
Novgorod (in addition to Kievan Rus)
Lithuania
Teutonic Order
Kingdom of Jerusalem (and the other Crusader states)
Armenian Cilicia
Serenissima Repubblica di Genova
Bulgarian Empire
Principality of Serbia
Kingdom of Georgia
Incas
Apachean Tribes

This is a perfect list right here

[Fireright]

The suggestions to lob in a pagan faction or two are a good idea Adds a bit of variety to the religious side of the game.

Land bridges should also be booted as much as poss from the campaign map.

Islamic factions should be given full love and attention, rosters as the Catholic factions, and an extra Islam faction lobbed in.

Mongols & Timmies should be toned down as they pee me off. Ideally boot one of them out totally.

[ChivalrousKiller]

The suggestions to lob in a pagan faction or two are a good idea Adds a bit of variety to the religious side of the game.

Land bridges should also be booted as much as poss from the campaign map.

Islamic factions should be given full love and attention, rosters as the Catholic factions, and an extra Islam faction lobbed in.

Mongols & Timmies should be toned down as they pee me off. Ideally boot one of them out totally.

If one of them shall be taken out it must be the Timurids