Help High King Elrond the Just survive !

**Opta chaos** · October 11, 2010, 05:26 PM

Hi All,

Here´s the situation

In his eager to capture Isengard, King Elrond neglected the defense of Imladris. Now he is under siege by forces of OOG, led by Uglag the Tyrant.
He is outnumbered 2 to 5 and is desperatly trying to defend.

His forces consist of
Royal bodyguard
2 units of Elven infantry
A unit of Elven archers,
A unit of light Elven archers
A ballista.

Orc forces, all gold chevrons
2 General units
9 Snaga stalkers
2 Snaga archers
1 Goblin trackers
1 Goblin band
1 Warg riders
1 Hillmen
1 Rhudaur Scouts
1 Orc Halberdiers

I tried numerous approaches to this battle, but all failed and let to the capture of the city and the demise of King Elrond.

Is anyone able to do better or give some tips, so far I managed to take out a bit more than half of the force, but thats it ?

Far the best approach was to put the infranty together with Elrond on the street leading to the city square and putting on defensive stance
The archers go right behind, one up on the small hill to the right and one further on the street which is a bit higher so they can shoot over the front line. The ballista goes on the left where it can shoot in the flank of the horde.

Attached the save game, ending turn will start the assault on Imladris. Played on version 2.1, VH-VH settings.

Prove that your an excellent tactician and help Elrond survive !

**Swagger** · October 11, 2010, 05:29 PM

who cares?

**Zigama** · October 11, 2010, 08:44 PM

this sounds like just another fairly common battle as the elves. using flaming arrows, flank attacks, and careful placement of the ballista should be able to end the battle with thousands of orcs routing and getting slaughtered by those hardy elves. also try to kill the general to demoralize them

**Baywatch** · October 11, 2010, 11:29 PM

So, are you asking for advice? Or are you trying to get people to play your save for you?

If it's the former then more information would go a long way. If you're that vastly outnumbered in a siege I've found that it's always best to use the walls to help you. Try to keep the horde under the gatehouse to let your towers/boiling oil even the odds. Try placing your infantry in a 'V' forcing enemies to funnel in and suffer the morale loss from being hit on both sides. If the enemy manages to part the 'V' this is where your ballista can come into play assuming it has a suitable location to fire, it will have a clear shot and plenty of enemies to hit. You could also try flanking outside of the city with Elrond, assuming his body guard is still a cavalry unit, (long time since I've played HE) after the gate is down for even more of a shock to enemy morale when you hit them in the back or at least force some troops to pull out in order to respond to your cavalry. The Enemies carrying ladders or siege towers should be the priority of your archers. Of course if they decide to overrun the walls with too many troops prior to getting the gate down, this won't work.

If it's the later I unfortunately don't care enough about "High King Elrond" to be bothered to save his arse.

**Metallistic** · October 12, 2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Swagger

who cares?

Wow, what a douche...

**dannyalex** · October 12, 2010, 12:06 AM

We shall try defend our King,or we shall die trying

**Baron Thunder-ten-tronckh** · October 12, 2010, 12:12 AM

Well you've effed up. Always have archers - thats what the elves are famous for.

If you had a few more archers, I'd be keen to try the save, but alas.

**Mikail Mengsk** · October 12, 2010, 02:32 AM

Orc forces, all gold chevrons

You are pretty screwed. Would they have been "basic" troops, you could have a possibility; with all gold chevrons, i don't think it's possible. I'd have to fight the battle myself to say something useful but i don't like elves

i can suggest to try to kill at least his generals.

**Big Pacha** · October 12, 2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mikail Mengsk

You are pretty screwed. (...)

a clear & honest analysis of the situation.

Originally Posted by Metallistic

Wow, what a douche...

Let's say that the original comment was unkind & inappropriate... but then, calling "names" isn't nice either

Originally Posted by Supermoler

I was so bored, so I won the battle for you! (...)

congratulations! That wasn't so easy, was It?
May I? Ballistas are quite efficient at killing enemy generals at long range

Originally Posted by dannyalex

+rep
you are true son of Noldors

That's my future slaves you're talking about

For the White Hand!

**David93** · October 12, 2010, 05:40 PM

How do i load up the save?

**Supermoler** · October 13, 2010, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by David93

How do i load up the save?

Put the .sav file to m2tw/mods/tatw/saves

**dannyalex** · October 13, 2010, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Big Pacha

that's my future slaves you're talking about

For the White Hand!

+rep you make Lol

**Big Pacha** · October 13, 2010, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by dannyalex

+rep you make Lol

Thanks

Update: my slaves now. Elven maidens for our brave Uruks!

**zax** · October 12, 2010, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Opta chaos

Attached the save game, ending turn will start the assault on Imladris. Played on version 2.1, VH-VH settings.

Prove that your an excellent tactician and help Elrond survive !

tell me are there any submods, u've been playing? i'll playthrough when i get home

**Kulgan** · October 12, 2010, 05:49 AM

You should have built watchtowers or spies and have build a few archers when you saw their army approach. Making this battle easy at most.

So IMO it's your failure of insight that leads to Elrond's demise. I mean no disrespect, just stating facts.

Either way good luck with fighting your way out of it, the good chap a few posts above me already coverd most of how to handle this type of battle.

**Alex-ander** · October 12, 2010, 06:50 AM

Realistically i think he is dead the only real chances you have is to kill their general and hope the Orc army routs. Or keep their army penned in the gate area under boiling oil /arrow fire that should cause a rout which sometimes causes a mass rout.

Trouble is they may run for a bit and then eventually reform its a difficult situation.

**ISA Gunner** · October 12, 2010, 07:16 AM

When the battle screen comes up that they're attacking, press the ` button which is also the ~ button on the top left. Then type in auto_win defender and click on auto-resolve. There i just saved your Elrond's pansy little ass.