when did greek racial/tribal differences disappear?

[MAXlMUS]

among the hellenic 'races' there was some tension, especially between the dorians and the ionians. for example when gyllippus is motivating the syracusian army against the athenians he tells them that

"it would be an intolerable thing if Pelopponesians and Dorians could not feel certain of defeating and driving out of the country these Ionians and islanders and rabble of sorts"

when in their history do greeks stop identifying themselves as dorians/ionians etc?

[NotYetRegistered]

When they were fully romanized by the Romans? I heard that even the Greeks had been eventually saying 'us Romans'.

Not sure, so excuse me if I'm wrong.

[Acco]

Greek regional differences were present even during their War of Independence in the 1820s.

[hellheaven1987]

Greek regional differences were present even during their War of Independence in the 1820s.

Yes, but not in a way of "Dorians and Ionians".

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Most wars in ancient Greece were rather a product of ideology differences (oligarchy vs democracy) than a product of racial differences although these played a role in the wars. Each tribe had some different traditions and myths but they had more common things than differences.. Anyway I think that the Greeks stopped identyfying themselves as Dorians or Ionians since the time of the (Doric) Macedonian hegemony over Greece..

[MAXlMUS]

They haven't disappeared. A tiny amount of Pontic Greeks still survive, as do Greek speakers in Southern Italy.

well for sure there are always regional differences (as in any country), but i'm talking specifically about dorian/ionic/aeolian. does it end in the roman period with the romanization of the population (or hellenization of the empire) , or with the rise of christianity and the 'shelving' of the greek myths, or at an earlier period?

Most wars in ancient Greece were rather a product of ideology differences (oligarchy vs democracy) than a product of racial differences although these played a role in the wars. Each tribe had some different traditions and myths but they had more common things than differences.. Anyway I think that the Greeks stopped identyfying themselves as Dorians or Ionians since the time of the (Doric) Macedonian hegemony over Greece..

wasn't macedonian a seperate language from greek during the classical era (although the argead kings were dorians)?

[Manuel I Komnenos]

wasn't macedonian a seperate language from greek during the classical era (although the argead kings were dorians)?

I'd better say that it was one of the variations of the Greek language, nothing really unique..

[removeduser_487563287433]

They haven't disappeared. A tiny amount of Pontic Greeks still survive, as do Greek speakers in Southern Italy.

[CiviC]

I consider the Hellenistic period (post Alexander the Great) as marking the desintegration of Ionic/Doric/etc. identities and after 146 BC when Rome made Greece a Roman province those identities became irrelevant, only the regional dialects survived. Just to note, Ionians or Dorians weren't "races".

[cpdwane]

I consider the Hellenistic period (post Alexander the Great) as marking the desintegration of Ionic/Doric/etc. identities and after 146 BC when Rome made Greece a Roman province those identities became irrelevant, only the regional dialects survived. Just to note, Ionians or Dorians weren't "races".

Agreed. It was probably the point after which the Greeks had larger powers to be opposed to (the Hellenistic rulers in Greece, and the Romans/ Carthage in Magna Grecia) and so stopped worrying about their comparatively minor ethnic divides.

[jo the greek]

You also forget Tsakonians

[white-wolf]

We still call Greece's Greeks as "Yunan" Ionians.... Although we call Cypriot Greeks or Anatolian Greeks as "Rum" Roman. Go figure.....

[jo the greek]

We still call Greece's Greeks as "Yunan" Ionians.... Although we call Cypriot Greeks or Anatolian Greeks as "Rum" Roman. Go figure.....

yes yunan must be greeks of Greece

[alhoon]

when in their history do greeks stop identifying themselves as dorians/ionians etc?

Well, I think quite after the Romans kicked our butts. Somewhere in the 6th-7th century I would guess with the Hellenization of the Byzantine empire.

They haven't disappeared. A tiny amount of Pontic Greeks still survive, as do Greek speakers in Southern Italy.

Let's put it simply:

My grandparents from my mother's side, were Ionian Greeks.
My grandparents from my father's side, were ... mixed but they looked more like Dorians.

PS. My maternal, Ionian Greek grandparents and my paternal Dorian/Ionian grandparents have a LOT of blood from other races. I don't even know what. Anatolian (non Greek) certainly + whoever got in the family from Ukraine. My grandfather is a Pontic Greek from Ukraine.

[jo the greek]

Well, I think quite after the Romans kicked our butts. Somewhere in the 6th-7th century I would guess with the Hellenization of the Byzantine empire.



Let's put it simply:

My grandparents from my mother's side, were Ionian Greeks.
My grandparents from my father's side, were ... mixed but they looked more like Dorians.

PS. My maternal, Ionian Greek grandparents and my paternal Dorian/Ionian grandparents have a LOT of blood from other races. I don't even know what. Anatolian (non Greek) certainly + whoever got in the family from Ukraine. My grandfather is a Pontic Greek from Ukraine.

Pontie

[alhoon]

Pontie

Pontic and proud of it!

My great great grandfather was from Trebizond. When I learned that, I did what every man in my place would do.
I tried to learn shooting a bow.

I can attest: It doesn't run in the blood.