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    Icon5 Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Hi all,

    I've happily been adding factions to the campaign, but all of a sudden I've run into a problem.

    I've added Norway, Lithuania, Ireland and Flanders to the campaign without any trouble.

    Now I have added the Kingdom of Jerusalem and all of a sudden Hungary is missing from the Campaign menu. When I start the game as another faction, Hungary is still in the game but I am unable to choose them as a playable faction. What has happened here, and is there a way to sort it?
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    yes, of course, look mods like Stainless steel.
    You need to mod the menu.lnt to make the new factions playable, example here
    Last edited by Dwaine; October 11, 2010 at 06:26 PM.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Faction Limit: 31 (Including slave/rebel)

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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoler View Post
    Faction Limit: 31 (Including slave/rebel)
    The principle is such: the game reads only the first 31 factions in the descr_sm_factions, anything after that is simply ignored - hence no error message (other then related to the missing faction - EDU\EDB comes to mind).










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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    @Dwaine: Your link doesn't work. Where is the menu.lnt file, and how do I edit it?
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Menu.Int file is inside the data\menu folder.
    And u can edit it with notepad or notepad++

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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Thanks buddy
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    Your Welcome.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Are Saxons and Normans also included in the 31?
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobaHat View Post
    Are Saxons and Normans also included in the 31?
    the first 31 factions in the descr_sm_factions










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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Yes.
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    So if I were to add more factions above those two, that would work? (What I mean is, I'd rather make new factions than edit the Saxons and Normans)
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobaHat View Post
    So if I were to add more factions above those two, that would work? (What I mean is, I'd rather make new factions than edit the Saxons and Normans)

    You would need to then remove instances of "saxons" and "normans" for say the EDU/EDB etc. as well. Otherwise they would be referencing a faction that does not exist. So basically the process for adding a faction, you would need to do in reverse, for the normans and saxons.

    Think about what happens if the serialization number isnt high enough in battle_models.modeldb and the edu then references a model that didnt get read. A similar situation would arize any time the saxons or normans were referenced if they werent seen as existing in descr_sm_factions.

    So what I am saying is, If you want factions other than the saxons and normans, it would be easier to modify those factions as opposed to removing them (you would basically be doing double the work)
    Last edited by TSD; October 14, 2010 at 12:44 PM.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    31 Factions is the Hard-coded limit of the game.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Good point. Hadn't thought about it that way.

    I've run into a new strange problem though: Using this tutorial http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=347694 , I've made it possible to have 31 factions selectable in the Campaign as well as in Custom Battle. I can enter both Campaign and Custom Battle without problems, but if I attempt to enter Custom Battle AFTER having just been at the Campaign menu I get a CTD. The same thing happens if I try to enter the Campaign menu after having been at the Custom Battle menu.

    How can I fix this?
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    There was a tutorial around regarding the crash when clicking too often in the menu....

    Tadaa: 31 factions without the Faction Select screen crashing










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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    I think you misunderstood me. My problem is not that it crashes when clicking around too much, but when I have been in the Campaign menu and try to enter the Custom Battle menu or vice versa. I have already followed that tutorial.

    I can see that he actually mentions this problem in the tutorial. Maybe someone knows how to fix it now?
    This fix doesn't fix the crash you get when you select the Grand Campaign, then go back to the menu and choose Custom Battle. I don't know how to fix it.
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    Default Re: Is it possible to have more than 21 playable factions?

    Either your custom battle selection screen is bugged or you ran out of graphics memory to me.

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