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9/11 Conspiracy?
I have heard rumours and facts that 9/11 was a work of the government now Al-Qadea and i haven't belived it. However I came across this Vid and my opinion has Changed. there is some startling Facts.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=Loose+Change
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There was a 9/11 conspiracy.
Osama bin Laden conspired with Mohammed Atta and the others to fly planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and White House/Capitol.
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I agree. There definitely was a 9/11 conspiracy. The conspirators were all Al Qaeda, and I trust they are burning in Hell, this moment. There was no more a government conspiracy to fly missiles that looked like 737s into the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon in 2001, than there was a government conspiracy to fly Japanese planes to Pearl Harbor and attack the Pacific Fleet in 1941.Originally Posted by Farnan
Moved to the political mudpit.
Civitate
There are no facts in what you heard nor did you link to any 'facts', you heard conspiracy theories something that exists for nearly ever big event in mankind. There has been tons of threads on this, this is a dead horse and insulting to people who died on 9/11.
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever....Pentagon.html
Last edited by danzig; December 15, 2005 at 04:17 PM.
Biarchus
danzig, you can't insult the dead...this is sooo 3 year ago info for me.
Why is it so hard to believe? the neocon repubs get into office to give themselves humungus tax cuts. It's the biggest scam you can pull off....get into office and make the top 10% save billions of dollars.Saving a few billions is just like stealing a few billion. Then they don't even spend the money in the US, all the companies are overseas. :laughing: Can't even live their life by thinking for themselves....need to follow a religion that will forgive them for no matter what they do.
Last edited by Templedog; December 15, 2005 at 11:00 PM.
They got lucky and hijacked some airplanes. I could of done that drunk. War on terror is BS.
Gruffles
It would hold more credence if he didn't keep editing it back and forth.
It looked like a bunch of the same old hysteria.
There will always be consipracy theories, as Danzig said, for every major event.
I just found out, for instance, that some one here on TWC shot JFK. But, then he told me it was an accident. He thought it was Ted.
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Civitate
Plus eyewitness accounts after events are er really wierd on occasion. Look at New Orleans where 2 'eyewitnesses' claimed to see people resorting to cannibalism inside the stadium and small babies being raped in the bathroom, people being shot/stabbed and laying all over the place....none of these events actually took place. Conspiracy theories always seem to quote the people who say something that they can use to support their theory while ignoring others. Like this guy (and others) have done with the 'missile' sound.
Civitate
We send people to prison based off eye witnesses, and many other things are based off eye-witnesses or personal, including most of history (Herodotus, Livy, Tacitus, etc). So to discredit the movie simply based off it using personal accounts is a fallacy.
I think something smells funny with the 9/11 attacks, but I have an incredibly hard time finding a motive for any country capable of advanced weaponry and aircraft would attack the U.S. it'd simply be too dangerous for any nation to commit, even China.
The U.S. government attacking its own people is also far-fetched, one there are always paper trails and it would get out, such a massive unprecedented scandal of the US government attacking its own citizens.
So generall, there is probably stuff that the government isn't telling us about these attacks, but I find a hard time understanding any motive behind a country or the American government attacking the two towers.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
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Civitate
Im not discounting them Im simply saying that you have so many variations in accounts, one lady who *saw* the commerical plane 50 feet above her car (as the video shows) one guy who says the plane looked like a private business type plane one guy saying you could almost see the people in the windows of the plane etc etc. You can pick out specific witnesses to support almost anything from a missle hit to a plane to aliens doing it. You have dozens of people seeing parts of the event at dozens of different angles but yet conspiracy theories only pick the ones that they like to help boost their theory. Things like google have made everyone think they are experts on everything because they can look up stuff...like what temperature titanium melts.
Gruffles
I dismissed it based on the edit hack job that, IMO, was obvious and the bases of the argument.
The varying accounts all over the spectrum don't help this theory either.
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A possible and reasonable motive would be to get the American people to enlist for a war that is not theirs but the war companies', and also to make their 'Christian' populace, so firm in Jesus's teachings on forgiveness, to feel that it is right to go there and extract revenge from those who did that horrible thing by burning their whole country and giving them millions of dead... Despite voting for and supporting the real guilty, or at least his puppet.
A possible and reasonable motive would be to get the American people to enlist for a war that is not theirs but the war companies', and also to make their 'Christian' populace, so firm in Jesus's teachings on forgiveness, to feel that it is right to go there and extract revenge from those who did that horrible thing by burning their whole country and giving them millions of dead... Despite voting for and supporting the real guilty, or at least his puppet
What the hell are you saying? What is all this crap about 'Christain Populace' and so forth? I dont see your point in any of this.
On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.
2 things:
I think this is the first time that comercial airplanes have been used as a weapon themselves. You can not blame anyone for not defending or having protocol for something that hs never been seen before and is outisde the norm of air defecnce.
How do you tell is an airplane has been highjaked if there is no communication with it and it is going in and out of RADAR? You cant really, it could be an airplane transponder malfunciton, a RADAR malfunction, it could have crashed, and ususalu when theres an airplane Highjaking the terrorist try to negotiat terms and reales hostages, not fly into biuldings.
BTW,
14 planes is a lot of firepower on a quite day. You dont need an entire air-wing or somthing like that, it doesn't take much to shoot down an airliner.
Primicerius
So what happened to all the people who were on the planes? Did the government just take them away? This is just BS. Yes there is probably stuff we don't know about about 9/11 but the US didn't bomb its own people. When he was showing that picture about the pentagon there was grafiti all over the walls. What is that?
I don't at all think that 9/11 was some big government conspiracy, but you can't possibly think that the US government wouldn't be willing to "sacrifice" a couple hundred people like that.
Primicerius
No I don't think that the US would just round up a plane of people(innocent) and just make them disappear just to go to war with Iraq or Afghanistan(or at all for that matter). They could do so many other, easier ways.
Senator
i watched the video.
it was really wierd. i am inclined not to completley believe it but the part about a controlled explosion in thte towers and the slow mo video was damning indeed. from the first moment i saw the towers collapse 4 years ago i thought that the initial outward rush of fire at the moment of collapse was indeed a separate explosion - and i was 12 years old. Also its definatley true how the 2nd tower hit (the 1st one to fall) was not brought down by the intense fire from the jet fuel b/c most of the fuel burned up outside the building as shown and pointed out in the video, so it must have been something else. MY OPINIONS ARE CHANGED AS WELL! but i'm not willing to believe that the government would kill approx. 4000 civilians
the pentagon part was particularly disturbing- the 5 frames shown clearly depict a missile hitting the penatgon and characteristic explosion ensuing. also the white line in the lawn and the lamp posts bent away from the building are equally damning. the bin laden video was CLEARLY fake as well
This video is incredibly well done and well produced but seems to rely too much on first person accounts, which are always
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I'm Starting to think about it more and I really don't know where I stand on this.
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O.B.L had only small ties to M.A. It was Khalid Sheik Mohamed who conspired with Atta to carry out the attacks. O.B.L conspired with KSM, to fund the attacks. It is not like OBL said to Atta you go carry out these attacks.
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I was trying to make the point that there was a conspiracy, but it wasn't the type of conspiracy everyone talks about.
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