The REAL reason Osama attacked USA

[Vegetable agent]

People continue to claim that Al Qaeda attacked USA because it hated USA, because USA supported Israel etc.All these opinions are wrong.Osama Bin Laden never had another goal except of creating Islamic states in Middle East.His real target were Middle East regimes.But because he could not target Muslims he found a more convenient target(which was USA).He attacked USA because he wanted to make himself famous and he succeeded.He wanted to polarise the world and create a war between the West and the Muslim world.He hoped that the inevitable American revenge would enrage Muslims and make them follow him

This is what Osama wanted and wants.Understand this and after that understand why it is dangerous to accuse all Muslims for certain things

[Treize]

Interesting theory.

[Farnan]

Interesting theory.

Not a theory, reality.

The sources that comes quickest to mind is Thomas Hamme's The Sling and the Stone. I believe it is also mentioned in David Killculan's The Accidental Guerrilla (not sure as its 1,200 miles away).

That is why many consider 9/11 to have massively backfired as the US people were pushing for disinvolvement from the Middle East, Bin Laden's goal, before 9/11. Bin Laden believed that the attack would support those calling for a disnvolvement and he would achieve his goals (he believed with the US gone the secular Muslim regimes would fall). However, Bin Laden was an engineer and not a historian so he didn't know the opposite would happen.

[Col. Tartleton]

Not a theory, reality.

The sources that comes quickest to mind is Thomas Hamme's The Sling and the Stone. I believe it is also mentioned in David Killculan's The Accidental Guerrilla (not sure as its 1,200 miles away).

That is why many consider 9/11 to have massively backfired as the US people were pushing for disinvolvement from the Middle East, Bin Laden's goal, before 9/11. Bin Laden believed that the attack would support those calling for a disnvolvement and he would achieve his goals (he believed with the US gone the secular Muslim regimes would fall). However, Bin Laden was an engineer and not a historian so he didn't know the opposite would happen.

Basically he was too stupid to see a Pearl Harbor? That's hard to believe. His goal had to have been to bait us into a war. He must have known that America's foreign relation strategy boils down to "You so much as touch me and I'll tear your arm off and leave you to bleed to death." You don't use a major attack to talk westerners out of a war. That's how you invite them to scrap. Throwing down the gauntlet is a challenge, not a threat of violence if they don't change policy. If you want the west to leave you alone make them forget about you. If terrorism lessened we wouldn't even consider involvement. A major attack just galvanizes us into a fury.

[Farnan]

Basically he was too stupid to see a Pearl Harbor? That's hard to believe.

1) Not really, seeing as he came from a culture where that was not an important event. Do you know much about Khalid Ibn Al-Walid?

2) His other attacks have been widely successful (the USS Cole and Embassy bombings in Africa), along with other terrorist attacks on US targets in the Middle East (Attack on the Marine Barracks in Beirut). He saw no reason to believe otherwise.

3) Past responses to terror events along with the Battle of Mogadishu convinced Bin Laden that any response would be limited at best. He believed the US was a paper tiger.

[Col. Tartleton]

1) Not really, seeing as he came from a culture where that was not an important event. Do you know much about Khalid Ibn Al-Walid?

2) His other attacks have been widely successful (the USS Cole and Embassy bombings in Africa), along with other terrorist attacks on US targets in the Middle East (Attack on the Marine Barracks in Beirut). He saw no reason to believe otherwise.

3) Past responses to terror events along with the Battle of Mogadishu convinced Bin Laden that any response would be limited at best. He believed the US was a paper tiger.

I know Khalid was one of Mohammad's companions and an Arab equivalent of Napoleon. That's about it.

Regardless Osama came close to making the same mistake as Yamamoto. He lucked out that we were a paper tiger. We responded a lot harder then I'm sure he expected, but not as hard as we should have. We should have gone into propaganda mode and volunteered/draft a million men and sent them over there crushed them utterly and called it a day. Instead we sent 80,000 men and whatever the Europeans would offer and its been ten years with no results. I don't like this modern war stuff, too casual, as if lives aren't at stake. We spend too much for too few feet on the ground and it feels like a waste. Whats the difference between a smart bomb and a howitzer shell fired by a well trained team? Not a lot. I feel like the voluntary military is good and all, but whatever happened to civic duty?

[Surgeon]

Well now he'll get what he wants and more as Muslims are wiped off the face of the Earth.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[RomanSoldier9001]

Well now he'll get what he wants and more as Muslims are wiped off the face of the Earth.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Most Muslim Theocracies are suproted by US. US wants to destroy radical Islam,Natioanlist Arabs,Dictators that get in their way etc not Islam itself especealy the Islam that works fine with them. They need all the oil afterall in good (diplomatic way) or bad way(war,invasion).

[justicar5]

interesting, like to see sources that lead you to that conclusion, but it sounds plausible.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

he admitted himself he did it because of the USA interfering militaryily and economically in middle eastern affairs.

[Oldgamer]

he admitted himself he did it because of the USA interfering militaryily and economically in middle eastern affairs.

That would be the Ron Paul theory ...

[Vegetable agent]

So they attacked US.They killed 3.000 civilians.And?Did they manage to make US change her policy?No.When you are a terrorist you know that a terrorist attack alone doesnt change something.The only reason behind an attack is to become more famous.Bin Laden wanted to become "The man of the Year".He hoped that such a radical attack would create a rift between the West and the Muslims that would give him a chance to do the things he wanted

[Dr. Croccer]

It's plausible that the aim of many terrorists is to achieve an anti-Islamic surge in the West and generally a downwards spiral of relations between Muslims and the West.

[NotYetRegistered]

Interesting.

[eran]

Not even one Muslim was killed in his attack?

[Phier]

People continue to claim that Al Qaeda attacked USA because it hated USA, because USA supported Israel etc.All these opinions are wrong.Osama Bin Laden never had another goal except of creating Islamic states in Middle East.His real target were Middle East regimes.But because he could not target Muslims he found a more convenient target(which was USA).He attacked USA because he wanted to make himself famous and he succeeded.He wanted to polarise the world and create a war between the West and the Muslim world.He hoped that the inevitable American revenge would enrage Muslims and make them follow him

This is what Osama wanted and wants.Understand this and after that understand why it is dangerous to accuse all Muslims for certain things

Al Qaeda targets Muslims all the time.

[Captain Jin]

Al Qaeda targets Muslims all the time.

He's not saying that, he's saying initially he targeted the US in order to foment hate between east and west and Muslim and non-Muslim, like he said polarized the world so they fight each other. Al Qaeda can kill all the Muslims they want if Americans are doing it too.

[Last Roman]

Al Qaeda targets Muslims all the time.

Perhaps he reads Machiavelli.

[Sphere]

He hates the US and the "apostate" Arab regimes in the middle east that the US support. Hence the attacks on US military assets stationed in the middle-east pre-911 (Yemen, Lebanon). He has a particular distaste for the house of Saud especially when they allowed US troops to be stationed in Saudi Arabia during the Persian Gulf War.

So his shorterm goal might be to create a united Islamic caliphate, but the long term goal is still to destroy western society (well, all non-islamic societies for that matter). It's not a choice of either or, he has enough hate for both.

[PointOfViewGun]

People continue to claim that Al Qaeda attacked USA because it hated USA, because USA supported Israel etc.All these opinions are wrong.Osama Bin Laden never had another goal except of creating Islamic states in Middle East.His real target were Middle East regimes.But because he could not target Muslims he found a more convenient target(which was USA).He attacked USA because he wanted to make himself famous and he succeeded.He wanted to polarise the world and create a war between the West and the Muslim world.He hoped that the inevitable American revenge would enrage Muslims and make them follow him

This is what Osama wanted and wants.Understand this and after that understand why it is dangerous to accuse all Muslims for certain things

Any random terrorism attack has the ultimate side effect and purpose of polarizing different communities. I don't see how what you're saying is a game braker.