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**EVYATAR** · October 07, 2010, 01:08 PM

hi to all!
i start in my high school to learn about C Programming.
i know now how to use torbu c++ program.
so my question is, are it good for coding in mtw? what i can to do with my knowledge in C Programming with the TOTAL WAR games?

thank for the attantion

**Swagger** · October 07, 2010, 01:39 PM

little.

**EVYATAR** · October 07, 2010, 01:53 PM

maybe you can to give a little more infomation???

**Squid** · October 07, 2010, 01:56 PM

c++ (or any other programming language for that matter) is of no practical value when trying to do modding for M2TW. The only thing it will help with is introduce concepts like variable (equivalent to counters), loops and if statements which you will use if you decide to do any scripting.

**EVYATAR** · October 07, 2010, 02:04 PM

so it will help me more to make some tools for MTW? and not real modding?

and thank

**TSD** · October 07, 2010, 02:51 PM

To elaborate as a software developer myself, C itself will not help you at all for total war.

While certain OOP concepts are similar to all OOPL's i.e an if statement, while loop, do while, case statement etc.

There are things you can/can't do or have to simulate from language to language. i.e. there is no string type in C, so you have to define char text[5]; (type, variable name, length) whereas in java for example you would just type String text; and assign it any length text string you want C is more finiky, add into that you have to manage memory in C.

Now lets look at the MTW2 scripting language, it isnt C (you will see things like while loops and if statements it is OOP). Add on top of that it has its own objects and functions. that arent anything present in the standard C libraries.

Even if you know C, you cant just jump into a large C application that may be rife with custom libraries, and just expect to know what everything does because you know C. You need to dig into it and learn what everything does.

**Squid** · October 07, 2010, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by TSD

To elaborate as a software developer myself, C itself will not help you at all for total war.

While certain OOP concepts are similar to all OOPL's i.e an if statement, while loop, do while, case statement etc.

There are things you can/can't do or have to simulate from language to language. i.e. there is no string type in C, so you have to define char text[5]; (type, variable name, length) whereas in java for example you would just type String text; and assign it any length text string you want C is more finiky, add into that you have to manage memory in C.

Now lets look at the MTW2 scripting language, it isnt C (you will see things like while loops and if statements it is OOP). Add on top of that it has its own objects and functions. that arent anything present in the standard C libraries.

Even if you know C, you cant just jump into a large C application that may be rife with custom libraries, and just expect to know what everything does because you know C. You need to dig into it and learn what everything does.

You don't seem to be overly familiar with programming concepts. The concepts of if and while are basic programming concepts and every single programming language will have them, usually expressed as the theoretical concepts of conditionals and repetition. The only concepts that are particular to OOP are the concept of a structure containing both data and actions which act on that data, dynamic binding and inheritance/polymorphism.

Further your answer didn't really deal with the question. Will learning C help with learning to mod, and as I answered previously the only help it will give is that it will teach the concepts of conditionals and repetition, variables, function calls and parameters. Obviously as the scripting language in M2TW/RTW is not C++ the actual implementation details will vary but the concepts will be the same.

**TSD** · October 08, 2010, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Sqυιd

You don't seem to be overly familiar with programming concepts. The concepts of if and while are basic programming concepts and every single programming language will have them, usually expressed as the theoretical concepts of conditionals and repetition. The only concepts that are particular to OOP are the concept of a structure containing both data and actions which act on that data, dynamic binding and inheritance/polymorphism.

Further your answer didn't really deal with the question. Will learning C help with learning to mod, and as I answered previously the only help it will give is that it will teach the concepts of conditionals and repetition, variables, function calls and parameters. Obviously as the scripting language in M2TW/RTW is not C++ the actual implementation details will vary but the concepts will be the same.

Hey I went to school for computer networking(which honestly I am worse at), and ended up with a development job, I dont claim to know everything

. Ive never even glanced at any non-object oriented language (save for a bit of COBOL). To think, people pay me for this

**Squid** · October 07, 2010, 02:16 PM

Yes it will help if you want to write a tool. For example if you click the tools and tutorials link in my sig, all of those tools were written in a language called C#, a language that's a hybrid of C++ and Java. The basic concepts of programming will transfer from language to language even if the actual details and syntax differ.

**EVYATAR** · October 07, 2010, 02:18 PM

really thank you Sqυιd for the information

**gracul** · October 07, 2010, 06:24 PM

Basically, you'll be a lot less prone to errors in your MTW2 scripts, and... you'll tear your hair out because of how limited this scripting language is.