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    Default Will There ever be a Major War Again?

    By this I mean very serious wars, land being conquered, conventional warfare, big casualty figures... etc.
    It seems that with all the developments since WW2, NATO, the UN and generally the tendencies of major powers to get involved anywhere on earth someone is getting a bit moody.
    I couldn't imagine any nation invading another today without being crippled economically first by massive sanctions, then porbably ganged up on next by some sort of alliance lead by the US or some Major power.
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    Default Re: Will There ever be a Major War Again?

    Yes. Only 70 years passed since last huge war and during most of that period we were endangered with a major, world-scale nuclear conflict. You're being too optimistic.


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    Default Re: Will There ever be a Major War Again?

    "Ever" is infinite so my money is on yes, there will be large conflicts.

    But that might not be conventional warfare as we know it now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HansDuet View Post
    But that might not be conventional warfare as we know it now.

    My bet it will be through the medium of electronics, internet and cyberspace. I bet China and America have probably got the equivalent of real-life 'flame wars' whereby spooks bug eachothers software and try and get the upper hand through subterfuge. It will most likely be a war of espionage (as the cold war was fought). Who knows, it may have already started...

    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    We're the most powerful military not only today but the most powerful military that could ever have been possibily conceived in the history of mankind. We are the bee's knees of warfare.
    Oh dear, more nationalistic flaunting. If you must know it was the British Empire which most likely deserves that definition, with large scale aquatic military might at it's disposal and 1/4 (roughly) of the world's land surface it was greater in it's heyday than America ever has been.. What's more, America was a product of British imperialism. I don't mean to seem arrogant, it's just America is not the 'bees knees' of warfare, that role probably goes to the Russians in all fairness; who accomplished things western democracy simply wouldn't allow, and which in turn defeated the black, sinister and evil ideology that was National Socialism.

    In my opinion, the origins of American life was great, 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' who wouldn't agree with that? It's just a shame that towards the start of the 20th century through the early 21st, it became 'lavish, luxury and the pursuit of the Dollar'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord de Lyonesse View Post
    If you must know it was the British Empire which most likely deserves that definition, with large scale aquatic military might at it's disposal and 1/4 (roughly) of the world's land surface
    Conquered lands where the natives there used sticks and stones as their primary weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord de Lyonesse View Post
    became 'lavish, luxury and the pursuit of the Dollar'.
    Nothing wrong with money. Money buys happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Conquered lands where the natives there used sticks and stones as their primary weapons
    That i'm not disputing. Conquering other peoples is a fundemental element of any Empire.


    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Nothing wrong with money. Money buys happiness.
    Umm, no it doesn't. It just allows people to do stuff in a capitalist society they wouldn't otherwise couldn't do if they didn't have that money. Most people with money live in misery as grow to distrust people they previously loved, and do everything in there power to keep there money which often involves making a misery of other people's lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Oh contrare, the US military is so powerful that it could take on the entire world and have a good chance at winning. Britain, although controlling the seas, could not best germany nor France on a land battle. Britain's economy, although dominant, does not hold the hegemony of the US economy. It never has had the cultural power that the US has controlled for the last 60 years.
    The first part of your sentenceis absolute piffle. America could not 'take on' the world. It would it up yes, but Russia and China would just 'team up' and pwn you. Maybe even North Korea could deploy it's massive land army to conquer the West coast.. America would be the 'bad guys' if it just thrashed out like that. Granted America has a lot more influence globabally, financially and for a long time with no equal, it must be said that Britains firepower for a long time was second to none. If there was trouble in India say, the answer was just "send a gunboat". Yes, it may be 'bad' but that's just how it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Economically, the US is the largest economy ever in terms of percentage of world wealth controlled. Politically its alliances span nearly the entire globe. Economically, it is most often the largest trading partner to most of the countries in the world. Economically, its economic downturn or upturn determines the entire world economy. Militarily it can strike any target in the world with precision and deadly force. It could put the entire world trade on hiatus with its undoubtedly dominant navy. Not even the British could come close to that.
    No, simply because technology has advanced since Britain's Empire fell and America's Empire arose. You must remember to appreciate the empire's at the time of there conception and era. Put simply: Nukes weren't around for the large part of the British Empire.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Politically, economically, and culturally, the US affects every corner of civilization in the world. The current world culture is modeled after American culture. Many musicians and actors move to the US once they hit it big. Economically, the US is the bigger by triple digits compared to the worlds number two. American politics is often world politics.
    Yes, you are 'top nation now. I'm not disputing that. Musicians go over to America when they become 'big' because Americans tend to have more money in there wallets compared to the rest of the world - and also more importantly have a much larger population than say Britain, France or Germany. Which is a good hing because they are relatively small countries compared to the USA.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    In the words of MW2 "what happens here matters over there". Very true words indeed.

    Now this is pe*is-measuring but you started it... Feel the full fury of my nationalistic rant! (although I know i will likely get pummeled because of this post, it is quite true...)
    Truth is bud, don't hold a nationalist stance. You'll always be met with anoth ill-informed gentlemen with a love for his country equal or stronger than your own. The best approach is to lapse into a state of educated reason from reading history, digesting knowledge, listening to different opinions and then laugh at posts like this which contain so much jargon, ill-informed info or simply flawed knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord de Lyonesse View Post
    Most people with money live in misery
    Try and not be happy on a jet ski.

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    The first part of your sentenceis absolute piffle. America could not 'take on' the world. It would it up yes, but Russia and China would just 'team up' and pwn you. Maybe even North Korea could deploy it's massive land army to conquer the West coast.. America would be the 'bad guys' if it just thrashed out like that. Granted America has a lot more influence globabally, financially and for a long time with no equal, it must be said that Britains firepower for a long time was second to none. If there was trouble in India say, the answer was just "send a gunboat". Yes, it may be 'bad' but that's just how it was.

    So how would china and russia do anything to the US? The US navy and airforce would make quick work of their navy's. China's military technology is technology that was old to the Soviets. How would north korea get to the west coast? Teleport? China's economy would flatline as they rely on exports. They rely on imports for food so a blockade would likely end up in revolution for china. Russia would be the largest threat, but they're navy wouldn't be able to do much and the US would be relatively safe. BTW this is in a no nukes war. Europe would be the toughest combatant but their navy wouldn't be able to defeat the american navy, not even close to. The world would be on a lockdown with a worldwide blockade imposed by the US.

    Truth is bud, don't hold a nationalist stance. You'll always be met with anoth ill-informed gentlemen with a love for his country equal or stronger than your own. The best approach is to lapse into a state of educated reason from reading history, digesting knowledge, listening to different opinions and then laugh at posts like this which contain so much jargon, ill-informed info or simply flawed knowledge.
    Yes, I am nationalistic, and I admitted it in my post. But, what i say is very true. The way I present it is nationalistic, and I doubt i can change that anytime soon (too hard too). But the content of my posts are true. despite their nationalistic wording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord de Lyonesse View Post
    Oh dear, more nationalistic flaunting. If you must know it was the British Empire which most likely deserves that definition, with large scale aquatic military might at it's disposal and 1/4 (roughly) of the world's land surface it was greater in it's heyday than America ever has been.. What's more, America was a product of British imperialism. I don't mean to seem arrogant, it's just America is not the 'bees knees' of warfare, that role probably goes to the Russians in all fairness; who accomplished things western democracy simply wouldn't allow, and which in turn defeated the black, sinister and evil ideology that was National Socialism.

    In my opinion, the origins of American life was great, 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' who wouldn't agree with that? It's just a shame that towards the start of the 20th century through the early 21st, it became 'lavish, luxury and the pursuit of the Dollar'.
    Oh contrare, the US military is so powerful that it could take on the entire world and have a good chance at winning. Britain, although controlling the seas, could not best germany nor France on a land battle. Britain's economy, although dominant, does not hold the hegemony of the US economy. It never has had the cultural power that the US has controlled for the last 60 years.

    Economically, the US is the largest economy ever in terms of percentage of world wealth controlled. Politically its alliances span nearly the entire globe. Economically, it is most often the largest trading partner to most of the countries in the world. Economically, its economic downturn or upturn determines the entire world economy. Militarily it can strike any target in the world with precision and deadly force. It could put the entire world trade on hiatus with its undoubtedly dominant navy. Not even the British could come close to that.

    Politically, economically, and culturally, the US affects every corner of civilization in the world. The current world culture is modeled after American culture. Many musicians and actors move to the US once they hit it big. Economically, the US is the bigger by triple digits compared to the worlds number two. American politics is often world politics.

    In the words of MW2 "what happens here matters over there". Very true words indeed.

    Now this is pe*is-measuring but you started it... Feel the full fury of my nationalistic rant! (although I know i will likely get pummeled because of this post, it is quite true...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Oh contrare, the US military is so powerful that it could take on the entire world and have a good chance at winning. Britain, although controlling the seas, could not best germany nor France on a land battle. Britain's economy, although dominant, does not hold the hegemony of the US economy. It never has had the cultural power that the US has controlled for the last 60 years.
    That is going to be history soon since UK is considering cutting RN size down and rely more on US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Oh contrare, the US military is so powerful that it could take on the entire world and have a good chance at winning. Britain, although controlling the seas, could not best germany nor France on a land battle. Britain's economy, although dominant, does not hold the hegemony of the US economy. It never has had the cultural power that the US has controlled for the last 60 years.

    Economically, the US is the largest economy ever in terms of percentage of world wealth controlled. Politically its alliances span nearly the entire globe. Economically, it is most often the largest trading partner to most of the countries in the world. Economically, its economic downturn or upturn determines the entire world economy. Militarily it can strike any target in the world with precision and deadly force. It could put the entire world trade on hiatus with its undoubtedly dominant navy. Not even the British could come close to that.

    Politically, economically, and culturally, the US affects every corner of civilization in the world. The current world culture is modeled after American culture. Many musicians and actors move to the US once they hit it big. Economically, the US is the bigger by triple digits compared to the worlds number two. American politics is often world politics.

    In the words of MW2 "what happens here matters over there". Very true words indeed.

    Now this is pe*is-measuring but you started it... Feel the full fury of my nationalistic rant! (although I know i will likely get pummeled because of this post, it is quite true...)
    Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish guy View Post
    Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read.
    not really, for the most part he is right

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Oh contrare, the US military is so powerful that it could take on the entire world and have a good chance at winning.
    Nope. Simply, nope.
    Economically, its economic downturn or upturn determines the entire world economy.
    And so does Chinese or European economy.
    The US is divided only because Americans hate imperialism. Whenever it looks as though the US is being imperialistic then the Americans become divided. Iraq is often considered, and in many ways is, imperialistic. This controversy is what divided americans.
    Then US is continously divided for over a century. If you hate imperialism so much, then it must be really self-destructive to act imperialistic since US foundation as a major power. I'm sorry about you, Americans. You must be so unsatisfied with your country.


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    Definitely. Its almost inevitable.

    My guess is it will kick off in Asia. Lots of rising powers there who want to be top dog, and lots of age old rivalries and territorial disputes. Recipe for disaster.
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    so long as the USA and NATO are around to police the world a large scale conlict is unlikely, cause you dont with them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaketh View Post
    so long as the USA and NATO are around to police the world a large scale conlict is unlikely, cause you dont with them
    yes, I concur (especially when Russia and CSTO join them...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    yes, I concur (especially when Russia and CSTO join them...)
    CSTO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaketh View Post
    CSTO?
    Collective Security Treaty Organisation.

    It's a small military alliance made up of post-soviet countries, and Russia. But again, compared to NATO it's rather weak.
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    Who wont be around forever.


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    Who wont be around forever.
    we will see

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