French women cause a stir in niqab and hot pants in anti-burka ban protest

[Dr. Oza]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...n-protest.html

a good way to protest imo...

the ban is fascism at its best... who has the right to tell me what to wear?

thats what it boils down to...

and its basically attacking a Muslim woman's right to wear one, even if i may disagree with it, i believe people should be allowed to wear them if they choose to




thoughts, comments?

[♔DeusVult!♔]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say these guys don't approve:




and as for "who has a right to tell me what to wear", well I believe that is kinda the whole debate here. The Burka/Niquab whatevers are basically seen as symbols of sexist, male oppression of women by their nutty male-dominated society/husbands. And I've got to say, I find it ironic that these women are standing up for the right of other women to wear bags over their heads so they aren't beaten by their husbands.

[PointOfViewGun]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say these guys don't approve:

and as for "who has a right to tell me what to wear", well I believe that is kinda the whole debate here. The Burka/Niquab whatevers are basically seen as symbols of sexist, male oppression of women by their nutty male-dominated society/husbands. And I've got to say, I find it ironic that these women are standing up for the right of other women to wear bags over their heads so they aren't beaten by their husbands.

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society. Would you support banning of them too?

[Boer]

They did attract a lot of attention, in that way they succeeded. It's a much better then shouting and waving placards in the street.

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society. Would you support banning of them too?

It depends how its enforced

No, this smiley works better:

[intel]

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society. Would you support banning of them too?

Bollocks, such clothes both aren't symbol of sexism and aren't required to be accepted into society. Every human being (as a rule) wants to be attractive to other humans and short skirts and nice tops are simply means to increase sexual attractiveness.

[skag]

shouldn't they be arrested ?

[Phier]

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society.

Only if their husbands force them to wear them or get beaten.

[♔DeusVult!♔]

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society. Would you support banning of them too?

Bwahaha. So short skirts are now symbols of sexism? Good one. FYI, short skirts and low tops are banned in many work places because they are distracting and detrimental to work ethic and morale. So thats a double fail.


For the record, I am not really for a ban on these feminine body bags. I just find it hilarious that the main argument against banning them around here is "women's rights". Lets not fool ourselves and pretend that the wearing of these full facial veils is a freedom of dress or expression. They are worn because their muslim men do not want anyone to see their face for fear that someone might discover that they are possibly attractive. Its for their own damn good, right?

EDIT: Also, I don't really buy the "they will be imprisoned to their home" line. What, are they chained to the wall? Their husband is home all day?

[PointOfViewGun]

Bwahaha. So short skirts are now symbols of sexism? Good one. FYI, short skirts and low tops are banned in many work places because they are distracting and detrimental to work ethic and morale. So thats a double fail.

For the record, I am not really for a ban on these feminine body bags. I just find it hilarious that the main argument against banning them around here is "women's rights". Lets not fool ourselves and pretend that the wearing of these full facial veils is a freedom of dress or expression. They are worn because their muslim men do not want anyone to see their face for fear that someone might discover that they are possibly attractive. Its for their own damn good, right?

EDIT: Also, I don't really buy the "they will be imprisoned to their home" line. What, are they chained to the wall? Their husband is home all day?

If skirts and low tops are banned in the workplace why are they not banned in the public just like these burqa? Dressing up sexy is often not something done because the person likes it but because they want to be accepted and liked by the society. In an indirect way they're forced to dress up like that.

It is indeed true that many women are forced to wear them rarely by their husbands directly but mostly due to their original culture. Some indeed choose to wear them. There are many similar examples in the West how people are forced to wear a certain style of clothing. Just like in business world, you have to wear a suit to be able to keep your job according to your respective title. Somehow clothes become a sign of respect when in no way it means that but that's ok in the West to force people to wear a certain type of clothing when it fits them but ban or criticize an other when they don't like it.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

If skirts and low tops are banned in the workplace why are they not banned in the public just like these burqa? Dressing up sexy is often not something done because the person likes it but because they want to be accepted and liked by the society. In an indirect way they're forced to dress up like that.

It is indeed true that many women are forced to wear them rarely by their husbands directly but mostly due to their original culture. Some indeed choose to wear them. There are many similar examples in the West how people are forced to wear a certain style of clothing. Just like in business world, you have to wear a suit to be able to keep your job according to your respective title. Somehow clothes become a sign of respect when in no way it means that but that's ok in the West to force people to wear a certain type of clothing when it fits them but ban or criticize an other when they don't like it.

women pressurize other women into wearing those things. Men certainly don't.

[♔DeusVult!♔]

If skirts and low tops are banned in the workplace why are they not banned in the public just like these burqa? Dressing up sexy is often not something done because the person likes it but because they want to be accepted and liked by the society. In an indirect way they're forced to dress up like that.

It is indeed true that many women are forced to wear them rarely by their husbands directly but mostly due to their original culture. Some indeed choose to wear them. There are many similar examples in the West how people are forced to wear a certain style of clothing. Just like in business world, you have to wear a suit to be able to keep your job according to your respective title. Somehow clothes become a sign of respect when in no way it means that but that's ok in the West to force people to wear a certain type of clothing when it fits them but ban or criticize an other when they don't like it.

Short skirts and niqabs have absolutely nothing in common other than the fact that they are both articles of clothing intended for women. Your claim that short skirts are oppressive, sexist, and enforced by society is bogus. You are trying to make this a morally ambiguous subject, which it is not. Especially since we are talking about niqabs in one culture here, France (or western). You are also addressing the wrong issue. "Cultural pressure" is not what makes the niqab oppressive. It is oppressive because it totally conceals the face of a woman for the purpose of hiding what she looks like to other men, so that she does not cause them to lust for her. It would be a terrible tragedy if she tempted men because then she would have to be stoned to death for making them fall to sin. See the issue here? The niqab exists soley because in their culture, women are less than men. Not different, less. As for short skirts and low tops, they are exactly the opposite. The idea behind a short skirt and low top is to send the signal "I am really attractive, I am open to attracting men and showing other women I am better than them". Is this cultural? Yeah, probably. But it is the culture of having free, independent women, not the culture where women live at the beck, call, and protection of men.

And now we come to your idea that all clothing (apparently) in "the West" is forced upon its wearers. Like I already said, the mere presence of cultural norms/pressures to wear certain clothes is not the issue. The issue is, are the clothes themselves degrading? A suit worn to work does not degrade the man who wears it. A suit is worn to say, "I care about my appearance, I take myself and my job seriously, I do my best".

[Banana Jelly]

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society. Would you support banning of them too?

Shh.

We need those in our Western culture...


At least for us men


I don't support the Burka, but I support for the right to use it. Though I don't support forceful wearing of it though.

I support less clothes though.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Short skirts and revealing tops are also a symbol of sexisms and most females wear it to be accepted by their respective society. Would you support banning of them too?

Difference is that tops and skirts are sexy

[Dr. Oza]

so what??

forcing someone to do something and beating your wife are both punishable offenses, just enforce them then.. this isnt gonna do anything

also.. only 2.000 women are estimated to wear the full burqa/niqba

plus

u dont no that and u cant judge that, and laws shouldnt be made on such flaky grounds...

fyi .. many people wear the burka by choice (thats the headscarf) the niqab(full black, covered face) , many still wear it by choice

and let me note.. personally i disagree with anyone wearing the niqab, but i am not gonna force anyone to not wear it

[MathiasOfAthens]

Niqab/Burka are not part of French culture. Those who chose to wear them have a hard time adapting. Whether for this reason or another. This is about forcing one culture to adapt to French culture and society. Plain and Simple.

[PointOfViewGun]

Niqab/Burka are not part of French culture. Those who chose to wear them have a hard time adapting. Whether for this reason or another. This is about forcing one culture to adapt to French culture and society. Plain and Simple.

Hmm, let's see. Non-French, non-Catholics, people who prefer beer over wine... The list goes on but the idea is ban anything that not French. Ban their asses. Ban it good.

[Yosemite]

Niqab/Burka are not part of French culture. Those who chose to wear them have a hard time adapting. Whether for this reason or another. This is about forcing one culture to adapt to French culture and society. Plain and Simple.

I knew i was right when i was sacking this mcdonalds.

[mongrel]

Niqab/Burka are not part of French culture. ........This is about forcing one culture to adapt to French culture and society. Plain and Simple.

Neither are jeans , t-shirts and baseball caps . I wait for La Republique Farcais to ban those too, using your logic.

[MAXlMUS]

Niqab/Burka are not part of French culture. Those who chose to wear them have a hard time adapting. Whether for this reason or another. This is about forcing one culture to adapt to French culture and society. Plain and Simple.

and that's exactly why they wear the burqa. whenever a minority feels threatened it will naturally become more reclusive.

i don't agree with the burqa/niqab but seeing as how so few of them wear it in the first place, i don't see the point of passing a law banning it's usage

[Syriana]

Niqab/Burka are not part of French culture.

A couple of centuries ago, neither was democracy.