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    Going up Shoppers at the new mall in Nablus

    Street in Ramallah


    This city's historic landscape of rolling hills and groves of knotty olive trees is undergoing something of a transformation. Multistory villas fronted by ornamental porticos and columns are rising on Ramallah's hilltops along with glass and marble office buildings. There are newly paved roads. The city's first five-star hotel, a Mövenpick, is opening this month.




    Across the West Bank, similar scenes are unfolding. Building cranes pierce the sky. Outside Nablus, new car dealerships sell everything from BMWs to Hyundais. Inside the ancient city, the first movie house to open in 20 years, Cinema City, is hugely popular. Last year the Hirbawi Home Center, a five-story shopping mall selling luxury items like plasma TVs, opened just outside Jenin.





    Consumer goods are only part of the story. Industries from finance to housing to a high-tech sector are developing too. Such activity marks a fundamental political-economic shift among the ruling Palestinian Authority (PA) apparatchiks and the Palestinian business community, upending former PA President Yasser Arafat's long-entrenched policy of nation first, institution-building later. The current leadership believes that creating a sustainable economy is essential to creating an independent Palestine. "We need to work on the economic front," says World Bank veteran Mohammad Mustafa, CEO of the Palestine Investment Fund (PIF), a quasi-governmental financial institution. "It is part and parcel of the overall struggle toward statehood."







    Indeed, the IMF has reported that the Palestinian economy is on track to grow 8% in 2010. Israeli and Palestinian negotiators may equivocate over peace, but an economy is breaking out in the West Bank. Under Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, an American-educated economist and former Finance Minister, the PA has spearheaded an ambitious strategy to move away from subsisting on foreign-donor aid and toward attracting foreign direct investment to spur private-sector growth.





    Just as important, Fayyad has vastly improved security, sweeping the streets of rogue militants, which has eased the movement of people and goods. Israel has responded by dismantling numerous checkpoints that also inhibited commerce. There's also an effort to streamline the legal system — a quilt of Ottoman, Jordanian, Israeli and British mandate laws. It has all served to boost confidence in Fayyadism, as the host of initiatives in play is commonly referred to.





    Mahmoud Ahmad al-Takruri, regional manager of the Housing Bank for Trade and Finance in Ramallah, says that one of the positive indicators in evidence is the lending climate. "The situation is more stable nowadays, and banks have more of an appetite to make loans," he says — meaning, specifically, loans to the small and medium-size enterprises (SMEs) that are the backbone of the Palestinian economy. They make up roughly 95% of enterprises, 84% of the private sector and 55% of the GDP.




    Feeding the Entrepreneurs


    Mazen Shkukani's oxygen gym on the fifth floor of a Ramallah office center is state of the art: it boasts the latest equipment, classes in spinning, kickboxing and Pilates, a sauna and even a smoothie bar. "We do very good business," Shkukani says proudly. "We are a very famous gym. We have customers that come all the way from Jerusalem and other villages." Oxygen is the third of five businesses Shkukani owns that were made possible by a series of loans he was able to obtain.




















    Born in Kuwait to a Palestinian family, Shkukani returned in 1987 to Ramallah, where he opened a children's boutique and later worked for his family's car-rental business. In 2004, a volatile year, the part-time bodybuilder saw an opportunity to import American-made nutritional supplements. Making use of his family's business reputation and connections, Shkukani, along with a partner, secured a loan of $200,000 to launch his Sportline supplements line. A few years later, having closed out his initial loans, Shkukani opened Oxygen Gym with two partners. Each put in $143,000 and took out a $400,000 small-business loan. It was Shkukani's largest to date.














    Last year, Shkukani obtained three more loans totaling $500,000 to expand his supplements business and to launch a snack-food distributorship, selling items like imported potato chips. More recently he opened Liberty, a used-car dealership. "Loans are for responsible people," he says. "We help the economy for our country by making a successful business. This is how it is around the world."



    Emblematic of the current commitment to entrepreneurialism, the PIF, along with Abraaj Capital, a Dubai-based private-equity firm, announced a $50 million fund that will focus on SMEs. "We believe that the PIF investment program can have a huge transformative effect on the economy," says Mustafa. "Moreover, the SME fund is great because the benefits exceed the funding to include the know-how that comes with it from the fund management." The PIF plans to invest $500,000 to $7.5 million in companies with less than $50 million in revenue or fewer than 250 employees or both.


    Last year, Shkukani obtained three more loans totaling $500,000 to expand his supplements business and to launch a snack-food distributorship, selling items like imported potato chips. More recently he opened Liberty, a used-car dealership. "Loans are for responsible people," he says. "We help the economy for our country by making a successful business. This is how it is around the world."







    Emblematic of the current commitment to entrepreneurialism, the PIF, along with Abraaj Capital, a Dubai-based private-equity firm, announced a $50 million fund that will focus on SMEs. "We believe that the PIF investment program can have a huge transformative effect on the economy," says Mustafa. "Moreover, the SME fund is great because the benefits exceed the funding to include the know-how that comes with it from the fund management." The PIF plans to invest $500,000 to $7.5 million in companies with less than $50 million in revenue or fewer than 250 employees or both.






    It's an acceleration for the PIF, which for five years has very quietly partnered with the Middle East Investment Initiative (MEII), a Washington-based nonprofit formed specifically to stimulate the region's fragile economies. MEII has been fueling ventures in the West Bank with a loan-guarantee program in excess of $200 million. The process of vetting the loans is heavily monitored not only for a business's viability but to ensure that the money is not going to finance terrorist groups, money laundering or weapons purchases. In the past 21⁄2 years, MEII has approved more than 322 loan applications totaling more than $63 million in guarantees. While the average loan is about $120,000, the largest, one of $16 million, went to the first competitive cell-phone system in the West Bank.

    This being the Middle East, there is always a wrinkle. Because of enduring distrust of the U.S. and cynicism regarding aid, the process is managed so that applicants have no idea their loans are being supported by a third party — namely an American organization.













    The IT Plan



    Behind glass on the third floor of the Burj office tower, 30 people are pressed into a small conference room. They are attending a seminar on open sourcing conducted by a representative from Intel and sponsored by the Palestinian Information Technology Association, better known as PITA. On the same floor, six start-ups share space as part of the Palestine Information and Communications Technology Incubator, or PICTI. There, Emad Ahmad, a filmmaker from Rafah, Gaza, is developing a program to digitize film archives. Emad Ammouri, who earned a master's in computer science from Texas A&M University and later worked at IBM and Timex, is creating an Internet toolbox to make, as he says, "microchip-embedded systems more friendly." Ammouri has also begun teaching innovation courses to high school students and launched an innovation camp for fifth-graders. "We can do it," he says. "Why can't a Palestinian company innovate for the world?"







    With 4,000 engineering graduates each year and a trickle of returning expats, many are looking at tech as a potential economic engine. According to a recent study, the Palestinian IT sector grew from roughly $130 million in 2008 to $231 million in 2009. Significantly, because tech is not dependent on physical movement, it is somewhat insulated from checkpoints, closures and political unrest.





    After earning degrees from the New Jersey Institute of Technology, Ala Aladdin returned to the West Bank in 1996 and started a company, Bailasan (which means flower in Arabic), a Web-development and graphic-design firm. In 1999, Aladdin helped found PITA with a group of 24 companies to lobby for the fledgling sector. Today there are more than 100 companies in PITA, and one of its major accomplishments has been to bring the world's biggest tech companies to the region. "It was important to transfer know-how and build infrastructure," says Aladdin. Representatives from companies like Microsoft began to arrive, cautiously, offering workshops. Eventually, those workshops expanded into weeklong conferences. But tech leaders wanted more than seminars; they wanted real investment.




    Two years ago, their lobbying paid off. Cisco, the $40 billion U.S. networks company, gave a $10 million grant for seed-funding tech start-ups in the West Bank and Gaza. Initially part of Cisco's corporate-social-responsibility initiative, the investment turned out so well, the company is converting it from a CSR investment into businesses. Cisco plans to work with Palestinian IT companies to bolster their ability to handle large outsourcing contracts from the U.S. and other countries. Recently Microsoft, HP and others have begun investing too.




    The West Bank's IT sector is also attracting pure venture capital. One fund that has come calling is the aptly named Middle East Venture Capital Fund. The fund, which has a reported $50 million target and some heavy-hitting backers, was started by a pair of high-tech veterans — Yadin Kaufmann, an Israeli, and Saed Nashef, a Palestinian.







    Kaufmann went to Princeton and earned a law degree from Harvard before emigrating in 1985 to Israel, where he clerked for the Supreme Court. At the cusp of the country's high-tech revolution, Kaufmann joined Athena, Israel's first venture fund. Surveying the Palestinian high-tech landscape, Kaufmann says, "I saw how Israel's venture business impacted economic development. I started to think about doing something else to help in the region." Kaufmann decided to launch a fund to invest in Palestinian high tech, but he needed a partner on the other side.




    That would be Nashef. Born in Jerusalem, Nashef studied computer science in the U.S. and spent 19 years there, including a six-year stint at Microsoft. In 2006 he returned to Jerusalem and decided to take a year off with his family. That visit stretched into four years and counting. "I saw the beginnings of a technology and telecommunications sector," he says. "I wanted to build something to contribute." His tech consulting firm, Equiom, had been outsourcing software engineering to China, India and Ukraine, and Nashef says he thought, "Why not give a piece of that business to Palestinians?" He started with a three-person team in Hebron. The trio eventually replaced a five-person team from India. The math was basic: "They were higher quality and lower salaries." That led Nashef to make it a permanent move and establish his Ramallah-based spin-off of Equiom, called Nena. "We're not advancing an economic or political peace agenda," says Kaufmann. "We are leveraging real opportunities." Says Nashef: "At the end of the day, we are creating high-value jobs. We are giving people hope."






    The Limits of Development



    While there are promising signs of growth, economic development is no substitute for a political solution. The borders, airspace, water rights and communications are still under Israeli control; so is 60% of the West Bank. "We are not waiting for a political solution to move forward with economic development," says one Palestinian banking specialist. "But the impact of these efforts is diluted when there is no parallel political movement. It is like a bird flying with one wing."




    The fragile state of affairs is not just contingent on Israel. There is a sharp divide between the Fatah government, led by Mahmoud Abbas and Fayyad, that rules the West Bank and the fiercely Islamist Hamas, which took control in Gaza in 2007. And Carnegie scholar Nathan J. Brown noted in a recent report that economic development has actually impeded some democratic and human-rights reforms. While Fayyadism is roundly praised among many Palestinians and in the U.S. and Europe — and even Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed his support — its progress stands on a very shaky footing. Says Said Abu Hijleh, managing director of DAI Palestine, a consulting firm: "There are still limits to how far you can go. I wouldn't call this an emerging economy but a promising economy." As tenuous as the current state-building is, it rests on the creation of institutions critical to any sustainable economy. And that just might be the start of a genuine Palestinian revolution.














































    This thread is dedicated to all those who claim that Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews, to all those who think that the West Bank is hell on Earth, and - most importantly - to all those who support Hamas. Just imagine, if Fatah managed to create a modern, robust national-enconomy in the West Bank; what they could do to a coastal and "unoccupied" (by Israel, that is) strip of land like Gaza! It's also important to note that:
    A) The reason for the West Bank's enconomic revoloution is the fragile peace that has been held since the last intifada.
    B) Israelis and Americans are mostly the ones investing in the West Bank, handing out the loans and giving aid - so the anti-western sentimism shown by some of our Muslim members can no longer be covered up as pro-Palestinianism.
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    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Cue the 'OMG ZIOOONIIST LIEEESS!!!11!!'' 'WTF MUSSIE EXTREMISM!111' spam.

    An interesting article. Though this doesn't absolve Israel of responsibility in my opinion. And i imagine that the quality of life in the west bank is heavily dependent upon what part of the west bank you reside. But i agree with the sentiment that Israel and the west should see Fatah as the legitimate Palestinian authorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    Cue the 'OMG ZIOOONIIST LIEEESS!!!11!!'' 'WTF MUSSIE EXTREMISM!111' spam.

    An interesting article. Though this doesn't absolve Israel of responsibility in my opinion.
    Obviously, but what I'm saying is that people are over exaggerating the Palestinian people's plight and Israel's wrong-doings. Yes, Palestine is quite a poor place. Yes, Israel is not doing everything it can to make Palestinians' lives better and make peace. Yes, there have been isolated war-crimes commited by the IDF. However, when compared to some of the real stuff going on in Africa or Tibet, the whole conflict seems like child's-play. It's a controversial and cliche thought, but I believe that the reason Israel makes it to the front page everyday is due to good ol' fashioned anti-semitism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    And i imagine that the quality of life in the west bank is heavily dependent upon what part of the west bank you reside.
    This is an article about the West Bank as a whole. I read the article in the actual TIME magazine, but the website-article is lacking in pictures and statistics which were featured in the magazine. Only 16% of the reigon's population is unemployed (down from 18% last year), and the enconomy is shooting upwards everywhere.
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    Both male and female walruses have tusks and have been observed using these overgrown teeth to help pull themselves out of the water.

    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Very interesting article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    Yes, Palestine is quite a poor place.
    The West Bank is the model. Even Gaza has a standard of life that is on par with many places in the ME. Living in Egypt isn't much better, if at all. But the West Bank is actually a gem. Very high standard of living now.
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    Wow, a couple pictures of a shopping mall and some promising yet inconclusive statistics, and suddenly there is no problem in Palestine, eh? Nevermind that this article has nothing to do with supposedly how well the Israelis are treating the Palestinians, but instead how intrepid Palestinians are making the most out of a crappy situation that is continually made worse by Israeli action. It even quotes a Palestinian developer talking about how they are doing this in spite of Israel.

    Talk about a argument. Wouldn't be too hard to make an equally misleading argument by showing pictures of Israeli settlements build directly on top of ancient Arab neighborhoods, to the point where the Jewish settlers can literally throw their trash on Palestinian heads, and talk about how Arabs in the Golan are fined for the egregious crime of collecting rain water in personal basins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    but instead how intrepid Palestinians are making the most out of a crappy situation
    but but

    palestinians contributed nothing to human kind!

    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Actually that was Egypt and Syria, so why should the Palestinians pay for Egyptian and Syrian actions?
    they're the easier targets
    Last edited by Yosemite; October 09, 2010 at 11:09 AM.

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    Obviously motiv is correct, Time after all is a right wing publication and Palestinians would NEVER exaggerate their plight to fool stupid liberal westerners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Obviously motiv is correct, Time after all is a right wing publication and Palestinians would NEVER exaggerate their plight to fool stupid liberal westerners.
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    While there are promising signs of growth, economic development is no substitute for a political solution. The borders, airspace, water rights and communications are still under Israeli control; so is 60% of the West Bank.

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    Great scott!
    If this is the biggest problem this world has, we are in a pretty good ing state!
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    Both male and female walruses have tusks and have been observed using these overgrown teeth to help pull themselves out of the water.

    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    MAXIMUS: None of that matters, see, because they have a shiny shopping mall! They should just STFU and enjoy their awesome lives.
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    Oh look !

    a nice 4 stars hotel in Ciudad Juarez

    Must be cool life overthere, this will be my next destination


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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    MAXIMUS: None of that matters, see, because they have a shiny shopping mall! They should just STFU and enjoy their awesome lives.
    idk, Minnesota has the Mall of America and they seem to be doing alright. I wouldn't know personally, cause there's really no reason to go to Minnesota. Maybe someone from there can clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvis View Post
    . I wouldn't know personally, cause there's really no reason to go to Minnesota. Maybe someone from there can clarify
    Not unless you don't like AWESOMENESS!!!!

    but seriously, Minnesota is cool, just stay within the Twin Cities metro area (or Duluth, Duluth is cool too).

    Anyhooooo, rather than go on some long tangent, I'll just go with: what motiv-8 said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    MAXIMUS: None of that matters, see, because they have a shiny shopping mall! They should just STFU and enjoy their awesome lives.
    Yes, now they can enjoy the benefits of western consumerism!

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    I know the OP is against the settlement movement in the West Bank, so these comments are not directed at him or anyone in particular.

    For a long time, Israeli policy was that the PA could not provide peace, prosperity and security hence the occupation and through some hand-waving Israeli settlement.

    Now the PA has provided peace, prosperity and security in the West Bank ... yada yada yada .... occupation and Israeli settlement of the West Bank. But poverty and violence in Gaza ... no occupation, no Israeli settlement.

    This policy is a long term recipe for disaster. The message to moderate Palestinian nationalists is thus; creating peace and prosperity in the West Bank was not an Israeli prerequisite for a Palestinian state, only an excuse to continue occupation/settlement. The only way the Israeli army/settlers will leave the West Bank is to make their stay unbearable.

    Israel is going to have to produce a carrot real damn quick, or else they are going to have to live with those that take over from Abbas/Fatah. I.e. people who have seen that a Palestinian State cannot be gained through the moderation of their predecessors.
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    It's good to see that despite all the tensions there's good development in this area. Though I'll admit Palestinians at times play the "victim" card too often. This is a good reality check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
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    This thread is dedicated to all those who claim that Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews, to all those who think that the West Bank is hell on Earth, and - most importantly - to all those who support Hamas. Just imagine, if Fatah managed to create a modern, robust national-enconomy in the West Bank; what they could do to a coastal and "unoccupied" (by Israel, that is) strip of land like Gaza! It's also important to note that:
    A) The reason for the West Bank's enconomic revoloution is the fragile peace that has been held since the last intifada.
    B) Israelis and Americans are mostly the ones investing in the West Bank, handing out the loans and giving aid - so the anti-western sentimism shown by some of our Muslim members can no longer be covered up as pro-Palestinianism.
    Thoughts?

    cool just return all the land you illegally occupy (leaving your 1947 borders, plus all of jerusalem).

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    Default Re: Life in the "World's Largest Ghetto"...

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    cool just return all the land you illegally occupy (leaving your 1947 borders, plus all of jerusalem).
    Isreal should stop playing around and take over all of that land. They will be able to put it to good use.

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