Merkel: Muslims should conform to German values

[Principe Alessandro]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Muslim...#disqus_thread

German Chancellor Angela Merkel demanded on Monday that Muslims living in Germany conform to "fundamental German values", saying there was no leeway on the issue. She spoke a day after Germany's largely ceremonial president, Christian Wulff, had reached out to Muslims in a speech marking 20 years

Wulff's remarks were welcomed by one of the country's main Islamic groups, the Central Council of Muslims.

The Christian Democrat chancellor, in remarks promoting a fiercely conservative book by one of her supporters, said Muslims in Germany must orient themselves without reservation to Germany's fundamental values and constitution.

"There is no leeway on this," she said, adding that Germans' perceptions of Islam were dominated by Sharia (Islamic law), the lack of equality between men and women and honour killings.

The book by Roland Koch, a former premier of the state of Hesse who retired this year to go into business, is titled "Conservative. No State Can Be Built Without Values and Principles".

Germany had freedom of religion, and Islam was welcome, "but it must be a form of Islam that feels devoted to our fundamental values", Merkel said. If it were not, fears would develop among Germans, "and that is hardly something we want to happen".

Merkel also criticised talks that have been under way for years between the federal interior ministry and leading Muslim groups in which both sides have tried to articulate concerns about the other.

The results had been "unsatisfactory", said Merkel, adding, "extra work will have to be done". She said she wanted German Muslim children to be taught their faith in public schools and she wanted imams at German mosques who spoke German.

President Wulff had spoken more embracingly the previous day, saying, "Christianity belongs in Germany. Judaism belongs in Germany. And by now, Islam also belongs in Germany."

It was in Germany's national interest to prevent prejudice from festering and people being excluded, he said.

In remarks to the mass-circulation newspaper Bild, the Central Council of Muslims responded, "Wulff's speech was a sign that Muslims are not second-class citizens."

The speech was a "clear, unambiguous and important signal to Muslims living in Germany", Council president Aiman Mazyek said, adding, "Different conceptions of one's life and diversity are being welcomed."

Finally a EU leader that has the balls to say what is right. Muslims that don't integrate themselves in Europe and don't abide by fundamental western values are not welcome.

[Orko]

I never really understood the point of imigrating to a foreign country with the intent of not integrating.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

I never really understood the point of imigrating to a foreign country with the intent of not integrating.

Us Jews have been doing it for ages. So what if a group of people want to retain their culture?

[reavertm]

(about imigrating to country with no intent to integrate)

Us Jews have been doing it for ages. So what if a group of people want to retain their culture?

Err.. Jews used to integrate very well. Sure, they usually don't abandon their religion but you certainly cannot say they are not integrating within societes they come into (we're not talking about orthodox, but radicals in general doesn't integrate well, whoever they are, do they?)

[The Noble Lord]

I never really understood the point of imigrating to a foreign country with the intent of not integrating.

You right, it does not make sense at all. But this approach should not only be applied to Muslims and only Muslims to be targeted by this "integration" campaign. Other ethnic and religious communities should be asked to speed up integration process as well!

[Emperador Carlos]

I never really understood the point of imigrating to a foreign country with the intent of not integrating.

The point is they eventually dominate that country through non-conformity. Kosovo is a good example.

[Exarch]

so what are deutsch values in this day and age, especially since post 1945 Germany has turned into quite a pussy.
how my German veterans who fought for me and the HRE would weep

[Thorn777]

so what are deutsch values in this day and age, especially since post 1945 Germany has turned into quite a pussy.
how my German veterans who fought for me and the HRE would weep

Like not killing your daughter when she wears to much make-up when going out with her secret boyfriend.

But this again goes beyond the point. Its not Islam really, there is the same problems all over, if not worse among the many Yazidi family's here, who have absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

Its about a part of their ancient old rural moral/ethical values and traditions having no place among our modernized European moral/ethical values being based in enlightenment aspects like individual freedoms. Among these community's there is a substantial part who despise a family not killing their own daughter when she stains the family-honor, in the west we despise those killing their own daughters. Thats a cultural conflict right there, and with 12 such murders a year in Germany alone and god knows how many cases of abuse, this is a very real issue that needs to be dealt with.

They can practice all that illegal clan-culture back in Kurdistan or elsewhere, but not here. Thats a principal that needs to be high up on our list indeed.

@OP

She said nothing new. This was addressed often by all kinds of heads of state/govt. So don't pretend this is some sort of taboo. Like your ilks acts often like these things are taboo and only exclusive to you dare-devils fighting against the PC establishment...You know what Merkel else said over the years on Islam issues? I bet you don't want to hear it.

[Armenum]

Really nothing new here, that should be the norm for all immigrants. What is Merkel going to say, "hey Muslims come and immigrate to our country, but don't worry you don't have to learn the language or the culture, and we'll give you citizenship after you've lived for a few years also"

[Syriana]

Another Muslim thread?

Insurgents in Yemen launch an attack on the capital as the country comes ever closer to outright civil war, but the whole world has to wait to hear about immigrants trying to subvert our beloved Western values.

[Principe Alessandro]

Another Muslim thread?

Insurgents in Yemen launch an attack on the capital as the country comes ever closer to outright civil war, but the whole world has to wait to hear about immigrants trying to subvert our beloved Western values.

I don't really care what they are doing in their country. It's simply a lost cause, I have no faith that Muslims can improve rejecting their backward mentality. I hope that westerners won't bring troops in those countries, maybe Afghanistan can be a exception because of 11/9 but currently I feel like our troops in Lebanon are a total waste of efforts.

We must adopt a defensive mentality putting restrictions on immigration.

[motiv-8]

Another Muslim thread?

Insurgents in Yemen launch an attack on the capital as the country comes ever closer to outright civil war, but the whole world has to wait to hear about immigrants trying to subvert our beloved Western values.

Just goes to show you that these people don't really give a about the welfare of others.

[Defianc4]

Another Muslim thread?

Insurgents in Yemen launch an attack on the capital as the country comes ever closer to outright civil war, but the whole world has to wait to hear about immigrants trying to subvert our beloved Western values.

Who cares about the third world? They've institutionalized instability in the Middle East and Africa, it's nothing new.

[priam11]

Like not killing your daughter when she wears to much make-up when going out with her secret boyfriend.

Not sure if it is a issue of values as to conforming to the country's criminal code.

[Thorn777]

Not sure if it is a issue of values as to conforming to the country's criminal code.

Thats a very abstract thing(but also based on western moral/ethical values) and maybe scares of people, but to many the expected punishment isn't scaring them off to protect this family honor.

@Principe Alessandro

I just hope so much your Italian, cuz I have news for you: Italians in Germany have even worse school results than Turks have in Germany. Matter effect their last. Nvm those calabrian/Sicilian rural traditions in conflict with ours, also resulting in similar incidents like described above.

[Principe Alessandro]

@Principe Alessandro

I just hope so much your Italian, cuz I have news for you: Italians in Germany have even worse school results than Turks have in Germany. Matter effect their last. Nvm those calabrian/Sicilian rural traditions in conflict with ours, also resulting in similar incidents like described above.

I know, that's why in Italy exist a secessionist movement (Lega Nord) that is racist toward the Italians from Southern Italy.

During our economic boom when immigrants from the South came to the North there was a lot of troubles integrating those people that were like aliens for the indigenous population. Even now some northerners feels like southerners are kinda sort of Africans.

I know that in Bavaria calling somebody "Prussian" is regarded as a insult.

Mind this, how we can integrate so easily a culture that is even more alien than our ancestors from southern or northern Italy?

I'm not contrary at all to the immigration but should be moderation and attention on how should be handled.

And also don't play the card of our ancestors doing mafia stuff around the world because we weren't begging US, or Germany mercy for them and Italians hadn't a good treatment especially in the US like today the Muslims are receiving in Europe with the best welfare available in the world. And we never complained like Muslims are doing currently asking always a bigger piece of cake.

[gsoxx]

I just hope so much your Italian, cuz I have news for you: Italians in Germany have even worse school results than Turks have in Germany. Matter effect their last. Nvm those calabrian/Sicilian rural traditions in conflict with ours, also resulting in similar incidents like described above.

Do you have a source for that statement?

This is all I could find fast.

[hellheaven1987]

so what are deutsch values in this day and age, especially since post 1945 Germany has turned into quite a pussy.
how my German veterans who fought for me and the HRE would weep

Bring back the Holy Roman Empire!!!!

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

so what are deutsch values in this day and age, especially since post 1945 Germany has turned into quite a pussy.
how my German veterans who fought for me and the HRE would weep

Well they still make their mistake but they basically try to pursue the Enlightenment values that were set down in their Constitution by Americans and often come closer to realizing those values than the U.S. does.

[PointOfViewGun]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Muslim...#disqus_thread

Finally a EU leader that has the balls to say what is right. Muslims that don't integrate themselves in Europe and don't abide by fundamental western values are not welcome.

This is significant because there are state leaders out there saying that foreign people that don't integrate themselves in their respective states are welcomed?