This is just daft.

[Modestus]

Playing H\H with RTW and taking it slow coming out of Italy so I decided to check by Toggle_fow and see exactly what the Roman Rebels are doing and to my shock they have 22 full stacks, they have defeated Carthage own all of Spain and nearly 1\2 of Gaul and are heading towards Germany and Italy.

How can they afford this ?
How can they produce the best units when a city with nothing Revolts?
How can the other AI factions hope to stop this?

To be honest I do not see the point of even trying to win because even if I defeat them which is unlikely they will revolt again after I take 84 provinces. Surely this is allowing the AI to cheat to a point where normal strategy has no meaning.

What advantages does the AI have on H\H by the way.

[Brusilov]

Roman Rebels - does that mean you've had the rebellion?

Post a screen shot of the radar map with FOW off.

On H difficulty the AI gets more money on the campaign and are harder to rout on the battlefield. I think they also may get slightly better stats on H battle (but I can't remember exactly).

[Modestus]

Roman Rebels - does that mean you've had the rebellion?

Post a screen shot of the radar map with FOW off.

On H difficulty the AI gets more money on the campaign and are harder to rout on the battlefield. I think they also may get slightly better stats on H battle (but I can't remember exactly).

No I dont think I had “The Rebellion”, is it after I take 84 provinces or 84 turns because I am hardly out of Italy so I have only about 17 provinces. I was enjoying trying to manage my cities and thought I was doing OK until I checked.

I did raid Carthage early and then left it to revolt and that seemed to have lead to a rapid expansion of the Rebels.

I will post a screen tomorrow.

[Drowsy]

No I dont think I had “The Rebellion”, is it after I take 84 provinces or 84 turns because I am hardly out of Italy so I have only about 17 provinces. I was enjoying trying to manage my cities and thought I was doing OK until I checked.

I did raid Carthage early and then left it to revolt and that seemed to have lead to a rapid expansion of the Rebels.

I will post a screen tomorrow.

Suppose you destroyed every destroyable building in the city and left it in debt?

[Striker]

Roman Rebels - does that mean you've had the rebellion?

Post a screen shot of the radar map with FOW off.

On H difficulty the AI gets more money on the campaign and are harder to rout on the battlefield. I think they also may get slightly better stats on H battle (but I can't remember exactly).

On H difficulty for battle they receive +4 morale and +4 attack.

[Timefool]

Are you saying a city of yours rebelled and the Roman Rebels (who take the place of the free people faction) expanded from that city to take over Africa, Iberia, and Gaul?

[C-Rob]

I think the point is to try to keep your iberian holding and squash the rebellion in italy. Sounds like you didn't and you handed them africa.

Kind of your fault.

I probably don't understand what you mean has happened or what you did.

[The Doubtful Guest]

I'm kind of confused ROMAN? rebels have destroyed Carthage, and you are still trying to push out of Italy? But you haven't had the 2nd rebellion yet? I don't know what to tell you, I play on M/M myself. I like your use of the word daft though.

[ISA Gunner]

Agreed with the above post. I REALLY want to see a screeny of this because that's ridiculous. Although i believe it could happen seeing as when your towns revolt the Roman rebels get them - which is unrealistic unless it's in Italy.

[Modestus]

Well here you go.......





I know at some point I saw them toe to toe with the Gallaeci in Morocco they had spread from Carthage and between the two they obviously destroyed Carthage. I went off building up my cities getting them all up to a huge size and at the same time securing my borders.

However I never expected to find the Rebels spread so far but of course if the AI has cheats to help with building units and controlling revolts they would be unstoppable.

Edit: Incidentally some economic buildings seem to say you will gain 10% or 25% in taxes if you build them but looking at the settlements screens these numbers appear to be closer to 1.0% or 2.50%.

[24Gamer]

BTW, it`s 618 AUC and you do not have any provinces outside Italy?

[Modestus]

BTW, it`s 618 AUC and you do not have any provinces outside Italy?

Who cares nobody is going to make me a real Emperor.

I like to play slow and spent most of my time messing up my economy.

I hope there is no time limit on this?

[Aristotle's Folly]

Who cares nobody is going to make me a real Emperor.

I like to play slow and spent most of my time messing up my economy.

I hope there is no time limit on this?

Downloaded.

Okay, I'm curious why you feel compelled to mess up your economy? I mean, you've done an admirable job. It's in shambles. If your goal is to make the game harder, you've succeeded nicely. I, too, play a slow game, but my goal in playing slow is to develop my economy so that I can withstand invasions, etc.

So I'll play this for a bit today and post a report later.

~ Dani ~

Edit: Okay, I took a closer look at your campaign. Wow. Two thoughts:

1. First, do you not set your taxes as high as possible? Most of your cities are on Medium or Low Taxation, which can keep your people happy, but also induces squalor. So now at 623 AUC, your cities are overrun with squalor and you can't raise the taxes without causing unrest and rebellion.

2. Also, some of your governors are developing negative traits. They will be taking an immediate boat ride.

Interesting ...

~ D ~

[Aristotle's Folly]

...
I like to play slow and spent most of my time messing up my economy.
...

Okay, I'm really confused by this comment and this thread. Did you intentionally ruin your economy? Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but that comment suggests you did all this intentionally ... and, I guess, to make the game harder? Towards another end I cannot fathom?

In any event, here's where I'm at: I downloaded your saved game. 15 years later (30 turns), playing on auto-resolve, I have the entire situation under control and, barring additional problems at the 2nd Rebellion, I cannot lose this game. I'm sorry if this sounds like bragging; I'm just saying that you can pull out of this situation and quite easily if you want. I've taken screenshots of everything I've done so I can show you how to do this ... if you want to know.

But if you don't want to know, then maybe it's unfair to call the game daft?

BTW, thanks for the challenge ... I had an enjoyable morning ...

~ Dani ~

[Taelok]

That is awesome.

[Modestus]

That is awesome.

Bloody terrifying.

The AI must be getting massive bonuses as regards money and revolts and once a faction like the Roman Rebels are allowed to expand beyond a certain level they become unstoppable.

You cannot see from the screen but the other factions nearby have nothing to compare to this force so if they choose to expand north and east there is nothing to deal with them and even if I fight back any city that I cannot control becomes a rebel city again.

--- double posts merged (Brusilov) - please use the EDIT button - you can quote multiple posts in one reply as well

I don't think that you can get the Roman Rebels unless either of the two rebellions have taken place. The first one is fairly minor and occurs in Southern Italy the second one is fairly major and can heppen all over the place.

It's strange that it appears to have triggered despite the player not having reached 85 regions......

It does appear that the rebellion was triggered by the revolt of Carthage - I presume the faction was wiped out so it would not rebel back to them?

I had a few crashes and saves but always activated the script so I think everything is fine there.

I started playing this game all wrong so later I decided to consolidate within Italy and expand very little and only in defensive areas such as Crete.

I withdrew from Greece and Spain and left Carthage to revolt, this was almost certainly the trigger for allowing the Roman rebels to expand at the expense of Carthage (destroyed).

It seems to me that if they get a foothold they become too powerful so they behave more like a virus rather then a faction which then knocks the other factions out of the game.

I am now left with essentially a massive Roman revolt that should not have happened and another big one that will be triggered by the script.

In a bit of a pickle.

[Dacer068]

Normally I see everyone else make peace with the rebels, But they will expand if you just sack a city and then leave it letting it revolt. especially if you give them 50 years or so to do it.

There are many quirky things that can happen. Like if you don't stand your ground in Greece and let Macedonia take your starting city there, they seem to grow really fast to the north.

its part of what makes the game fun.

[Marcus Publius]

Now this is unexpected.

[DarthLazy]

You lucky ............

[Brusilov]

I don't think that you can get the Roman Rebels unless either of the two rebellions have taken place. The first one is fairly minor and occurs in Southern Italy the second one is fairly major and can heppen all over the place.

It's strange that it appears to have triggered despite the player not having reached 85 regions......

It does appear that the rebellion was triggered by the revolt of Carthage - I presume the faction was wiped out so it would not rebel back to them?