Jerry Brown Pulls a Fast One

[Defianc4]

...pulling himself into a significant lead.

I love how he contradicts himself by criticizing Whitman for hiring her, and then criticizing Whitman for not supporting the illegal into getting another job.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...er-controversy

As Rush Limbaugh puts it:

Story #1: Meg Whitman Abused Maid at $48,000 a Year

RUSH: Boy, I tell you, how about that Meg Whitman? How about the abuse that she heaped on that illegal maid of hers? How about the abuse? You know, she was abusing that maid to the tune of $23 an hour. That's $920 a week. That's about $48,000 a year for nine years. And the maid, Ms. Diaz, she was just taking the abuse that American citizens won't take. Amazing abuse.

[CamilleBonparte]

Love it how politicians stick to the issues - really makes me feel confident in their abilities. Makes me feel safe. Makes me feel like tomorrow is going to be a better day.

[jman47]

Jerry brown elected = California ed for good.

[removeduser_487563287433]

We can only imagine Defiance's views if Whitman happened to be a Democrat.

[Admiral Piett]

I'm uncertain of Jerry Brown's record. He was Governor of California after Reagan and ran for President like 4 times. Supposedly he lobbied for a public referendum to emplace a Balanced Budget Amendment.

On top of this, he had a fairly good reputation when serving as governor and The American Conservative journal notes that Brown was more fiscal conservative than Reagan ever was. That's a bold state, especially from a conservative group.

I dunno. California desperately needs a strong fiscal conservative. I guess the question is who would you trust more? The tea party candidate that talks a lot about it or the Democrat that's supposedly has a fiscally conservative record? Plus the Republican are kinda tarnished for the governor's office due to Schwarzenegger.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Obviously a Tea Party candidate would be a disaster for any office, on account of it being a movement of IDIOTS.

[Admiral Piett]

Obviously a Tea Party candidate would be a disaster for any office, on account of it being a movement of IDIOTS.

I would argue that a few of them seem to know what's going and what they're talking about. Perhaps Rand Paul being one of them. Can't say the same for Whitman though - the founder of eBay. I don't really know her or her politics.

At least California has more interesting than Texas does. Jesus we have a Bush loyalist that has been sitting on the Republican seat as the longest governor in our state history and has no business being associated with anything fiscally conservative. Then we have Bill White - a rather unappealing and uncharismatic Houston man - who is running as his only main opposition for the Democrats. Democrats haven't done well since Anne Richards.

This coming election really sucks ass for this country. I mean yeah, the current Democrats are running things to , but I don't really care too much for neoconservatism. I just want fiscal conservatism - that's it.

[motiv-8]

This coming election really sucks ass for this country. I mean yeah, the current Democrats are running things to , but I don't really care too much for neoconservatism. I just want fiscal conservatism - that's it.

That's the fundamental problem with the Tea Party. You find something that is so apealling -- Oh thank Jesus fiscal conservatism, yeah -- and then a whole assortment of other absurd, idiotic baggage is thrown on top of it. Destructive neoconservative foreign policy; hyperreactionary attitude towards consitutional topics like gun control, taxation, and federal programs; a blind trust of the corporate sector.

Hold on, sorry, that's just one of the fundamental problems with the Tea Party. The other is that none of them have managed to come up with actual policy proposals and platforms for executing a fiscally conservative government. The best any have managed are vague general ramblings about "dismantle the Department of Education/Social Security/Federal Reserve/IRS," all of which sound incredibly reckless and dangerous without actual details and plans.

[HissingNewt]

I would argue that a few of them seem to know what's going and what they're talking about. Perhaps Rand Paul being one of them. Can't say the same for Whitman though - the founder of eBay. I don't really know her or her politics.

At least California has more interesting than Texas does. Jesus we have a Bush loyalist that has been sitting on the Republican seat as the longest governor in our state history and has no business being associated with anything fiscally conservative. Then we have Bill White - a rather unappealing and uncharismatic Houston man - who is running as his only main opposition for the Democrats. Democrats haven't done well since Anne Richards.

This coming election really sucks ass for this country. I mean yeah, the current Democrats are running things to , but I don't really care too much for neoconservatism. I just want fiscal conservatism - that's it.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Rick either. I'm from Houston and never heard about anything bad with White, though (but I didn't pay attention to local politics that much).

[PoleCat]

I hate to say it but Moonbeam may be the better choice this go around. Meg Whitman has taken speaking out of the side of the mouth to a whole new level - she has two opinions on every topic and chooses the one that best fits her current audience whenever she speaks.

She also has the baggage from her EBay days hanging over her. That employee harassment suit is especially troubling because all we've heard are unsubstantiated rumors that don't make her look good yet she brushed off the accusations without even really addressing them. Something just stinks with her campaign in general.

[Defianc4]

I would argue that a few of them seem to know what's going and what they're talking about. Perhaps Rand Paul being one of them. Can't say the same for Whitman though - the founder of eBay. I don't really know her or her politics.

At least California has more interesting than Texas does. Jesus we have a Bush loyalist that has been sitting on the Republican seat as the longest governor in our state history and has no business being associated with anything fiscally conservative. Then we have Bill White - a rather unappealing and uncharismatic Houston man - who is running as his only main opposition for the Democrats. Democrats haven't done well since Anne Richards.

This coming election really sucks ass for this country. I mean yeah, the current Democrats are running things to , but I don't really care too much for neoconservatism. I just want fiscal conservatism - that's it.

Well, people realizing the country's going over the brink have come out of the woodwork to oppose Washington. All Washington can do is run attack campaigns agaisnt conservatives, since they know they'll lose on all the issues with their immorality, regardless of how semi-accepted it is.

Get rid of the RINOs like Castle, get people like O'Donnell in.

As for Texas, Perry isn't very conservative, but Bill White is the worst thing ever. You can't get any more slick and corrupt than him, and we had him for mayor for a very, very long time... Havign plenty of run-ins with him and his brainwashed thugs has taugt me quite a bit about him. But then again, Houston has had a ton of terrible mayors in recent years. The illegals and blacks will just keep on voting for a leg up.

While I wish Hutchison had won the primary. I'm still casting my first vote ever for Perry, because White is that bad.

I think Whitman is one of the better governors to elect. She's conservative, a self-made woman, and mostly rational. Jerry Brown is just another collectivist political hack.

In some ways, I'd like to see California elect Jerry Brown. Then they'll learn the hard way, stop giving Obama 55% approval ratings, and stop voting Democrat so much.

Even the retard state Massachusetts learned its lesson, to some degree. After electing that murderer for 50 years, they voted in a Republican, after having Mitt Romney in for a while. California doesn't have anything resembling a conservative for Senate or Governor.

[Admiral Piett]

Well, people realizing the country's going over the brink have come out of the woodwork to oppose Washington. All Washington can do is run attack campaigns agaisnt conservatives, since they know they'll lose on all the issues with their immorality, regardless of how semi-accepted it is.

Get rid of the RINOs like Castle, get people like O'Donnell in.

As for Texas, Perry isn't very conservative, but Bill White is the worst thing ever. You can't get any more slick and corrupt than him, and we had him for mayor for a very, very long time... Havign plenty of run-ins with him and his brainwashed thugs has taugt me quite a bit about him. But then again, Houston has had a ton of terrible mayors in recent years. The illegals and blacks will just keep on voting for a leg up.

While I wish Hutchison had won the primary. I'm still casting my first vote ever for Perry, because White is that bad.

I think Whitman is one of the better governors to elect. She's conservative, a self-made woman, and mostly rational. Jerry Brown is just another collectivist political hack.

In some ways, I'd like to see California elect Jerry Brown. Then they'll learn the hard way, stop giving Obama 55% approval ratings, and stop voting Democrat so much.

Even the retard state Massachusetts learned its lesson, to some degree. After electing that murderer for 50 years, they voted in a Republican, after having Mitt Romney in for a while. California doesn't have anything resembling a conservative for Senate or Governor.

Rick Perry is very unpopular here in the San Antonio and Austin areas. His efforts at literally choking the local councils and reps into supporting his toll road debacle is testament to how his agenda versus what Texas needs. If highways such as 281 were privatized, it would cause a massive traffic overload of I-35, of which he plans to expand with a non subtle use of imminent domain into a superhighway for expansion of NAFTA interests. Perry's own contractor companies are who benefit the most from his governorship, ironic considering many of them are active in Mexico as well.

Rick Perry is extremely corrupt and I find his sudden vocal opposition to the Obama administration to be nothing more than winning PR points for Tea Party sentiment. I simply don't see how people even bring up this guy as being a candidate for a 2010 Presidential run. Especially considering how much he has increased taxes since Governor Bush.

What was Bill White's history that caused disillusionment? I'm just curious because I need to know if I'm going to vote at ALL in the coming elections. There is absolutely no viable opposition and I hate current Texas congressional leaders (with the exception of Ron Paul). I may just vote libertarian across the board.

However, when it comes to California, Jerry Brown is at the very least, a fiscal conservative and he does have a strong political record. Whitman is inexperienced with politics and I fear that she simply won't have the know-how to get past the bureaucratic nightmare and end up in the exact same position that Schwarzenegger fell into because he couldn't maneuver anyone to budge. Tbh, I see a Whitman governorship as being another lame duck administration and California badly needs reform.

[Defianc4]

Rick Perry is very unpopular here in the San Antonio and Austin areas. His efforts at literally choking the local councils and reps into supporting his toll road debacle is testament to how his agenda versus what Texas needs. If highways such as 281 were privatized, it would cause a massive traffic overload of I-35, of which he plans to expand with a non subtle use of imminent domain into a superhighway for expansion of NAFTA interests. Perry's own contractor companies are who benefit the most from his governorship, ironic considering many of them are active in Mexico as well.

Rick Perry is extremely corrupt and I find his sudden vocal opposition to the Obama administration to be nothing more than winning PR points for Tea Party sentiment. I simply don't see how people even bring up this guy as being a candidate for a 2010 Presidential run. Especially considering how much he has increased taxes since Governor Bush.

What was Bill White's history that caused disillusionment? I'm just curious because I need to know if I'm going to vote at ALL in the coming elections. There is absolutely no viable opposition and I hate current Texas congressional leaders (with the exception of Ron Paul). I may just vote libertarian across the board.

However, when it comes to California, Jerry Brown is at the very least, a fiscal conservative and he does have a strong political record. Whitman is inexperienced with politics and I fear that she simply won't have the know-how to get past the bureaucratic nightmare and end up in the exact same position that Schwarzenegger fell into because he couldn't maneuver anyone to budge. Tbh, I see a Whitman governorship as being another lame duck administration and California badly needs reform.

Yes, Bush and his crew were certainly into diminishing US sovereignty, albeit to a lesser extent than Ted Kennedy the murderer and Bill White the hack. Still, Perry's lax immigration policies have allowed Texas to continually slide Democrat due to the vast torrent of illegals flooding across our borders.

That's why I'm not a huge fan of Bush or Perry.

As for taxes, Perry never raised taxes past what they were from the time he came into office, as he cut taxes twice. Be careful, politicians these days like Obama will tell you they've cut taxes, when in reality they've sent extra welfare checks out or done small tax breaks for special interest groups and target voting blocks, something Bill White has done many times inorder to further himself politically.

Toll roads are usually far better than government owned roads, but they can still become failures since it's still a compromise between government and business, and thus corrupt. Even so, I wouldn't call Perry extremely corrupt. Fiscally, he's quite conservative, but on every other issue he tends to be quite collectivist, especially on Bush's plans to merge Canada, Mexico, and the US into a conglomerate nation.

Still, the only stimulus funds he took were those that didn't require program upkeep, as I'm sure he knew the rest went to Democrat campaigns to keep them in office this year. (campaigns like Bill White's)



Why I hate Bill White the scumbag trial lawyer:

1) He's a scumbag trial lawyer
2) He's slick, and lies through his teeth at every convention I've been at where he's spoken. When asked to give an example of a conflict of interests between being 'green' and the itnerests of human productivity, he answered that there was none, and gave a namelss, nonexistent example of a nameless company doing nameless things to hurt nameless people, but Bill White, he was the shining knight who saved the world time and time again.
3) He worked on Clinton's cabinet as the assistant energy guy, where he attacked businesses in the interests of accruing government power and sacrificing humans to plants.
4) As Mayor of Houston, he placed us in huge debt, leaving Parker, a moderate Dem, to clean it all up.
5) He is incredibly far left, if you haven't guessed.
6) He has never run a business in his life, yet continues to call himself a businessman at every turn.
7) He ordered an evacuation of Houston for Rita whent here was every piee of evidence that it wasn't a very big storm, in order to name himself the big hero. lots of people died on the road that day.
8) He cancelled school in ALL OF HOUSTON FOR TWO DAYS BECAUSE HIS KIDS GOT THEIR PRIVATE JET BACK FROM COLORADO DELAYED.
9) He pulled the New Orleans scum into Houston, changing our city from a relatively safe, ghetto free town with plenty of well-to-do workers into somehting resembling the south side of Chicago. Jsut imagine what he'll do to the whole of Texas.
10) He profited immensely from his mass New Orleans importation by running the company that brought them here, a wholly illegal and massively corrupt act. So I guess he is a businessman, one who trafficks human flesh at the expense of his city.
11) Repeatedly attacked Houston businesses during his tenure.
12) Left Houston's roads underfunded and in terrible shape, to this day.
13) Engaged in plenty of back-scratching, corrupt pay-offs.
14) He refuses to release his tax records during his time in the Clinton administration, as he obviously cheated on them like every other Democrat cabinet member.'
15) He bought out thugs with pseudo-altruism. I got stff having to listen to one in a small room during my freshman year. This thug basically intimidated us into nodding our heads every time he said something.
16) Bill White wanted to mandate that all workers learn to speak Spanish by buying crude Spanish-English phrase dictionaries for everyone in Houston. Imagine the money he could waste by doing that for all of Texas. As his thug told us, it's just the way it is.

Those are just the main points. I have more that I have forgotten.

I will be voting Rick Perry because I don't want a scumbag for governor. The place to boot him out is in the primary, not the main election. Voting Libertarian is like not voting at all.

There just wasn't anyone to challenge him this past year, as Kay was too busy fighting Obama's destruction of the American economy, part 1. She also voted for the initial Bush bailout, which sunk her campaign.

As for Jerry Brown, he is certainly not anything resembling a fiscal conservative. There's a reason the California economy was booming, and that's because of Reagan, and there's a reason Jerry Brown is caleld Moonbeam Brown, and it's because he's a radical leftist idiot. The guy completely abandoned his job as attorney general in order to attack the proposition he was supposed to, by law, support.

[Oldgamer]

Obviously a Tea Party candidate would be a disaster for any office, on account of it being a movement of IDIOTS.

Yoi'll have to take that up with Air Force Captain Adam Kinzinger, a pilot and veteran of many combat missions, and the tea party candidate for House District Eleven, from Illinois. He's ahead of the freshman DEM Debbie Halvorson by 13 points, as of the last poll.

@motiv
I undestand what you're going through. You're going to lose. I feel your pain ...

[removeduser_487563287433]

From my perspective Americans struggle to recognise it and dive straight in for false economies.

[Admiral Piett]

I'd say that's a pretty accurate statement. Most people that are supposedly conservatives would spend money on other venues that are more beneficial in their eyes, effectively ceasing them from being a fiscal conservative.

[Ramashan]

I don't like any of my choices for governor this year. I'm almost willing not to vote and take what I get.

Things in CA are so bad right now and no one wants to really DO anything about it because it might shake the party boat. You have Republican's that have signed a document stating that they refuse to compromise at all an anything that raises taxes, and then Democrats who are holding onto the social programs like they were a priceless treasure, and in the end the thing that gets cut is education. Which is really nuts if one thinks about it because its the only social program that, if managed properly, gives the greatest return for its investment. Make school too expensive you lose your citizens to other states, and if you don't educate your citizens who are going to create the jobs of the future or work in any high tech industry?

No one wants to even talk about the important issues and when they do, its all just party rhetoric.

[Mr. Scott]

I don't like any of my choices for governor this year. I'm almost willing not to vote and take what I get.

Things in CA are so bad right now and no one wants to really DO anything about it because it might shake the party boat. You have Republican's that have signed a document stating that they refuse to compromise at all an anything that raises taxes, and then Democrats who are holding onto the social programs like they were a priceless treasure, and in the end the thing that gets cut is education. Which is really nuts if one thinks about it because its the only social program that, if managed properly, gives the greatest return for its investment. Make school too expensive you lose your citizens to other states, and if you don't educate your citizens who are going to create the jobs of the future or work in any high tech industry?

No one wants to even talk about the important issues and when they do, its all just party rhetoric.

The california education system is screwed up. I know, I'm in it. The teachers are overpayed and have pensions that are almost as much as they're standard pay. They don't even teach well (they just read out of the teacher handbook almost word for word) and are generally not worth their cost.

Now their are many teachers that are good, (ie. my current physics teacher who actually teaches without reading the teachers handbook) but I remember my english teacher last year just got sick of teaching at the end of the year and began giving everyone 100's on all their assignments (not that im complaining, but its highly counterproductive).

They teach for short term memorization instead of ingraining concepts and reason into kids heads (last year in my chem class she had us memorize some solubility guidelines verbatum. I don't remember them now, just like all the other kids in my class last year).

The parents here, except for the asian ones, don't give a rats *** about their kids education, resulting in the kids not caring and not bothering to learn.

Basically, here in california, we put loads of money into a screwed up bureacracy that is ineffective and inefficient. California needs an education and budget reform desperately.

[skh1]

Here is Ms. Whitman on immigration. Note particularly her statement one minute in.



http://www.megwhitman.com/experience_detail.php?id=3881 (Her own website)


As for her maid of nine years, Ms. Whitman continues to deny any knowledge of Ms. Gloria Allred Nancy Diaz being an illegal immigrant. Her husband, Dr. Griffith Harsh, has subsequently admitted seeing (or more precisely admits the possibility of his seeing) a letter from the Social Security Administration informing the them that their maid's social security number was questionable. This was after Ms. Allred Diaz produced the letter itself with Dr. Harsh's handwriting on it.

Ms. Allred Diaz also alleges unfair treatment from her former employers.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-01/politics/whitman.housekeeper.charges_1_meg-whitman-gloria-allred-social-security-letter?_s=PMOLITICS

Incidently, Ms. Whitman did not found eBay. That was Pierre Omidyar.

[Ramashan]

The california education system is screwed up. I know, I'm in it. The teachers are overpayed and have pensions that are almost as much as they're standard pay. They don't even teach well (they just read out of the teacher handbook almost word for word) and are generally not worth their cost.

Now their are many teachers that are good, (ie. my current physics teacher who actually teaches without reading the teachers handbook) but I remember my english teacher last year just got sick of teaching at the end of the year and began giving everyone 100's on all their assignments (not that im complaining, but its highly counterproductive).

They teach for short term memorization instead of ingraining concepts and reason into kids heads (last year in my chem class she had us memorize some solubility guidelines verbatum. I don't remember them now, just like all the other kids in my class last year).

The parents here, except for the asian ones, don't give a rats *** about their kids education, resulting in the kids not caring and not bothering to learn.

Basically, here in california, we put loads of money into a screwed up bureacracy that is ineffective and inefficient. California needs an education and budget reform desperately.

You do bring up many good points that I, myself, have often thought about. Too much money goes to admin and too much is wasted on stupid projects. Unfortunately, the way the system is set up now, and the way its continuing to go, teachers are going to just keep making you memorize the stuff in the books and perhaps find some time for independent thinking. I say this because the system is being ever more based on teacher assessment based on student tests, so of course, it human nature, "If my job hinges on how other people perform, I have do all I can to make them perform within the standards' which means, cram the test info down your throat. Because, if as you say, and I honestly believe, there is a culture that cares little for education, then the students lack of interest and parental neglect of their education, directly affects the teachers.

Just look at that one teacher who committed suicide, the jury is still out if was based on the LA Times printing his test scores and labelling him a mediocre teacher, but he stayed after school, organized events, taught extra-caricular activity, and was highly involved above and beyond most, but his students scores were flat so he was publicly labeled at or below average.

We can do a whole thing on education and what changes are needed. I personally think its a trifecta, teachers, media, and family to create a culture of educational importance, right now all the blame is on the teachers and the media and family are accepting zero.

But, especially in higher education, with tuitions rising 100% in ten years, your leaving a lot of struggling people who are very intelligent and capable just lack money behind, and we know, through many studies, that an investment in higher education leads to an increase in economic growth. Singapore is one of the perfect examples of this. And where are all the cuts going? Education.

A Aside: Ah, and also, as for salaries, yes, some may be rather high, but having a girlfriend who is an english school teacher in downtown Los Angeles with 40 students, I can tell you first hand, she goes to work at 7am, comes home and grades till 11pm, and then grades for 8 hours on Saturday, and puts in hours of lesson planning over the summers. So, its not a typical job and very few jobs demand that you work beyond the normal work day without pay and then judge you for not doing so.

As for Jerry Brown, I don't know. Like i mentioned earlier, I can't stand either of them and I wish both would for some reason decide to drop out in the next few weeks so I could have other options.