Can you call AI, AI

ai mean artificial intelligence right well the ai in napoleon are hardly intelligent so dont you think we should call as for artificial stupidity??

in truth you cant call anything AI as general intelligence or strong AI has not yet been achieved and is a long-term goal of AI research.

AI in the gaming industry does not actually mean Artificial Intelligence in a true sense.

well rtw and m2tw has way better ai but u r tru we are all in the pursuit of the unbeatable ai or something like it

Originally Posted by prince of tarrentum

well rtw and m2tw has way better ai but u r tru we are all in the pursuit of the unbeatable ai or something like it

Which part of RTW was better, the 100's of 1-2 unit stacks the AI would sent at you, or the AI building stacks of siege equipment?

Originally Posted by M2TWRocks

Which part of RTW was better, the 100's of 1-2 unit stacks the AI would sent at you, or the AI building stacks of siege equipment?

I remember recoiling in terror in Civ 4 when I got attacked by an all Catapult stack of the AI, so I can imagine the horror of seeing it in RTW....

Seriously, I have yet to see ANY game AI that doesn't use stat bonus cheats to make a game harder. They ALL have weak spots that can be exploited easily once you see what they are. Online on the other hand, is very much a mixed bag. And LAN games with good friends that you wish to humiliate is the best!

Originally Posted by Rotaugen2009

I remember recoiling in terror in Civ 4 when I got attacked by an all Catapult stack of the AI, so I can imagine the horror of seeing it in RTW....

Seriously, I have yet to see ANY game AI that doesn't use stat bonus cheats to make a game harder. They ALL have weak spots that can be exploited easily once you see what they are. Online on the other hand, is very much a mixed bag. And LAN games with good friends that you wish to humiliate is the best!

Yes, I was giggling to myself last night while playing Civ 5. People have expressed so much discontent about the AI in NTW, but there really isn't an AI in ANY game that can handle all the decisions and creative thought required to challenge a human player. After the middle ages, the AI hasn't stood a chance in Civ 5...almost to the point of it being laughable. The broader the scope of a game, the more inept an AI opponant will probably be.

Originally Posted by M2TWRocks

Yes, I was giggling to myself last night while playing Civ 5. People have expressed so much discontent about the AI in NTW, but there really isn't an AI in ANY game that can handle all the decisions and creative thought required to challenge a human player. After the middle ages, the AI hasn't stood a chance in Civ 5...almost to the point of it being laughable. The broader the scope of a game, the more inept an AI opponant will probably be.

It's not by chance that the game of Checkers was one of the first games that computers could beat humans on a regular basis, followed by Chess (because it is more complex). It will be quite a while before a game of this scope will have an AI that could trounce an experienced gamer without resorting to stat bonuses.

Does Civ V have multiplayer? I can only imagine how long that would take, but it's the only way to really face a dangerous opponent on a level playing field. Sometimes game AIs will do something that looks brilliant, until I see them use the same thing in a situation that calls for the exact opposite. Oh well, throw enough against the wall and something will stick...

Originally Posted by M2TWRocks

Yes, I was giggling to myself last night while playing Civ 5. People have expressed so much discontent about the AI in NTW, but there really isn't an AI in ANY game that can handle all the decisions and creative thought required to challenge a human player. After the middle ages, the AI hasn't stood a chance in Civ 5...almost to the point of it being laughable. The broader the scope of a game, the more inept an AI opponant will probably be.

Well in CIV:V the AI doesn't get more intelligent when you up the difficulty, they'll just start with a bigger stack of resources.

You should probably try and install some mods, like the Darthmod, for example. It improves both the CAI and BAI greatly.

Try playing ETW, the AI goes from Artifical Intelligence to Artifical ****head

When we talk about AI in games we mean more the intelligence of programmers to create algorithms that make the computer opponent look intelligent. Or the intelligence of designers to design games so that AI programmers can write a proper AI for it. For example the naval CAI in Empire/NTW would profit greatly from a job based approach: scripts that get triggered by certain situations, call for a number a ships out of free pool of ships, try to achieve a predifined goal, and release the ships when the goals is reached, unreachabel or a timer runs out. With such a job based approach we would not have fleets of merchants blockading ports and ships of the line sitting uselessly on trade nodes. You don't need superintelligent computers to achieve that, just intelligent programming (like in some other games ).

No matter how much you twist it, it's still technically artificial intelligence.

Edit: As a 2nd year industrial/automation electrician I work with robots and PLC's (Programmable logical computer)
When I program the robots I basically make an AI. It knows what to load in, process and distribute. However it also knows when to stop and to avoid dangers/malfunctions.

Sure it isn't very smart and it's quite restricted (Compared to games) ,but, it's still an AI.

Actually AI is not really that different from the way we think. The AI is basically a scripted event driven thingy-ma-bob which like the name suggests is programmed to respond in certain ways to a variety of circumstances. Biological life essentially works in the same way, but is a lot more complicated. We just respond to more events, and have a greater variety of responses. And each response will change how we would react to a certain event. We have better programming which lets us think, and respond better than the more poorly(extensively) coded AI. Just like AI has code we have DNA which define us.

And I think you could call it AI, just not a very good one. Like a worm being intelligent, just having less responses to a situation. Just like a monkey is intelligent but less intelligent than us. Like worms having very limited responses, cats having probably gazillions more and us having gazillions more than cats they are all intelligent, its just that some species are more intelligent than others. And Intelligence is about how well we can respond to the environment (thinking about it, this is what one of the guys we read about in psychology class said, but made no sense at the time lol).

And this makes me wonder when they talk about AI, and they call it Artificial, are they referring to it being artificially made (I.E. not naturally occuring, or not biological) or are they referring to it being fake intelligence? Because Artifical Intelligence basically works (on a fundamental basis) the same as our intelligence which I am sure that people would say is not artificial). And who is to say that we aren't artificially made or an artificial species, maybe every species that exists was made by another species(which doesn't need to makes sense because thats how the universe was made.) and who's to say the way they made us was artificial or not, and if it wasn't would that not make us a natural species? And does this not mean that AI is a "relative term" I.E one which is based on you're relative position and related to what is and is not correct, and the environment. Because depending on what AI means determines what is AI. And based on you're perspective what is and is not AI will vary, I am sure that to an AI its intelligence will seem very real, or to a robot it may seem natural that all life is codded in 1s & 0s and runs on pcs, and to them biological life may not be natural made and therefore not natural. However to some humans it may seem that the computes intelligence is artificial and so on.... And because the thinking process is part of (well basically is) intelligence, and logic and external information; and with AI (or fake/not naturally Intelligence) would that not logically mean that the thinking process, logic, and external information is also artificial? Would an AI not use artificial logic and thinking processes to produce artificial results. But would the results not be caused naturally through the result of genuine logical and thinking processes + external information. So the result could be natural yes, and if it naturally produces this through these processes what makes them artificial? After all aren't these processes that define intelligence and are thereby required in artificial intelligence basically the same as in us. Logic is still Logic, and if it isn't then there is no logic in AI and if Logic is a part of intelligence then AI is not Intelligent (artificially or otherwise). So maybe it is artifical because it was not created naturally. But assuming we where created naturally, wouldn't it be naturally and expected that through evolution (which is natural) that a intelligent species that is capable of and eventually will create other intelligences will occur eventually? And doesn't this mean that the AI was created by us as naturally as we where by evolution.

Anyways I think it is just a bad name to describe the event driven entities we play against in games.

Originally Posted by prince of tarrentum

ai mean artificial intelligence right well the ai in napoleon are hardly intelligent so dont you think we should call as for artificial stupidity??

Most people can't beat the AI on easy (such as all of my friends and my cousins). Are you calling them stupid? They just lack the talent.
I doubt Bill Gates or Einstein can handle the AI on first hand.
AS sounds weird compare to AI. Battlefield Stupidity (BS) is a better term.

Originally Posted by prince of tarrentum

ai mean artificial intelligence right well the ai in napoleon are hardly intelligent so dont you think we should call as for artificial stupidity??

Perhaps you're right. Even bacteria have a better A.I. (Amoeba intellegence).

Originally Posted by Strategos Alexandros

Perhaps you're right. Even bacteria have a better A.I. (Amoeba intellegence).

Amoeba aren't bacteria, they're protists.

Originally Posted by M2TWRocks

Amoeba aren't bacteria, they're protists.

I never thought that someone would know the difference. I knew they weren't bacteria, but it would be a bad "joke" when I sead protists because not many will understand and I didn't know the English word for it. Because I like wiseguys: +rep.

Lol, I'm in school to be a Physical Therapist Assistant, and I conveniently have a test on this today. Lol. +rep back at ya.

is civ 5 good on that topic it looks a beutie ....... then all new releases do after some editin by distribubter

Originally Posted by prince of tarrentum

is civ 5 good on that topic it looks a beutie ....... then all new releases do after some editin by distribubter

The publisher don't do no "editing".