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    This "Letter of Apology" was written by Mike Adam (Thanks for the research TB666!)

    For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.

    I humbly offer my opinion here:

    I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

    I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

    I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

    I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

    I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

    I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

    I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."

    I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

    I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.

    I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

    I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

    I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

    I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

    I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.

    I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

    I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

    I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

    I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

    I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

    I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.

    I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!

    I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.

    America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.

    We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

    Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

    Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

    If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.

    Mike Adam
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    Read the whole thing, and only 2 apologies did not make me laugh at the sheer studpidity and hypocrisy. The two being:

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    I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa. That was genuinely funny...

    2)I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.
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    Wow, this 'chuck pitman' sounds like a ****wad. Seriously, does he believe the own **** that spews forth from his pie-hole?
    Really, what he says is verging on racist.
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    Why are people being so damn cynical already? I believe, and support, a lot of what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA
    Why are people being so damn cynical already? I believe, and support, a lot of what he says.
    Mike Adam has an answer for you, RZZZA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Adam
    I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
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    Does that mean whatever we left wingers say to this is wrong?

    I really dont have much to say to this. I dont agree with much of it at all, just for some of the really stupid ones like the Michael Moore statement there. You cant get more low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA
    Why are people being so damn cynical already? I believe, and support, a lot of what he says.
    as do i.

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    See the problem now?? Let me add my apology: Sorry for laughing out loud ha ha ha ha.......... Americans never seize to amaze. This was one of the best laughs I had in a while. Lay off the sauce Chuck!

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    Yeah.

    WE are great. THEY are evil. WE are compassionate. THEY are merciless.

    Now where have I seen this before? Why was Iraq invaded again? Humanist ethics? He makes a good job in explaining Operation Iraqi Liberation to all who believe the above. THEY die by the tens and hundreds of thousands. WE lose 2500 soldiers and one stealth fighter over the whole 15 years of this mess and cry baby over our poor poor mutilated, while scheming for resource takeover in bases we tenderly call "Camp Shell" and "Camp Chevron".

    And WE will never apologize.

    HOOAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Alameda
    I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
    I'm sorry, that they happened to be muslims in which case the religion was no deciding point on who were defended. I can argue this forever, but commiting genocide on for any reason (bosnia/serbia), has nothing to do with religion, let it be jewish, christian muslim or buddhist.

    I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
    I agree, but there is a reason they called "extremists". They won't apoligize for terror, otherwise what's the point of being a terrorist? Even though the Arab world did send their condolences to the USA and even Arafat did so.

    I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
    Again, what is this have to do with religion? Osama Bin Laden "uses" the muslim religion to gather his supporters, creating a propaganda. He is (Pitman) clearly targeting the muslim religion, and I won't be suprised if any muslim would take his comments as insults.

    I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.
    That is one i agree.

    I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
    Agree again.
    I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
    This is stereotyping the muslims themselves. They don't hate america, but don't like Bush and his agenda, in which case I don't like him either, so it's fair.

    I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
    No comment. Why is he sorry about it? I'm glad that he was kicked out of every country (if that's true), but i am not glad his palestinian cause, but regardless of it, he was still a leader.


    I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
    Maybe they don't want to mess with politial connections? Maybe they have a small hint that not everything is true and unfair about the palestinian cause?


    I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
    what is this? "Arabs" helps arabs? So does this mean that all whites help whites, which is the normal way? I only blame our goverment for causing a disruption by going into this war too quick and not taking advices and plan out a clear strategy first, which in case I agree with the wealthy arabs. They don't want to help? Fine, we do it without them. This way we show that we are better than them.


    I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
    Stereotyping again? Does he summerize the american population under one bucket of "brainwashed masses" ?
    This guy has no idea, I'm telling you. He hasn't met enough people around yet to know that there are far far more smart people around than he thinks. Most of them smarter than he is, actually.



    I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
    I am not sorry about this, it more like pisses me off, but there is a proper way of dealing with this which is legal prosecution of the involved elements.
    I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
    Ah geez, stereotyping again?

    I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
    what "same" bombers? The "same" bombers died already bombing. also those are terrorists.

    Let's make a difference: Arabs = people living in the middle east (mostly saud-arabia)and most of them are following the muslim religion.
    "Bombers" (terrorists) = extremist propaganda following an idea, and using terror and death for political reasons. They are recruited by different terrorist organization cells from all continents and contain all kinds of people from all over the world.


    I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.
    I'm sorry too. That is why they are terrorists. Otherwise we could just call them a bunch of angry people, if they don't kill there "terror" term is not added.

    I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
    What is this guy has against Arabs? I think he is more racist or anti-semitist than giving one clear statement here.





    I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
    Since the terrorist cells use the Iraq/Iran/Jordan/Saud Arabia as a training ground and now it is taken from them, so they have to find a target. If there would be terrorist cells in the USA , they would kill "caucasians". I think this guy just realized that he has been bashing the arabs with his comments and now he is trying to redeem himself.
    I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
    I'm sorry too. We are trying to stop this. What is this guy doing? He just said that most extremists (terrorists, or bombers he call them) said that most of the extremist are Arabs, now he is saying that they are foreign trained?


    I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
    And I'm happy that it's no WWII anymore and we don't carpet bomb a whole town.

    I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."
    Again, they use the religion as a cause and unite thing, so no wonder. Kind of a stupid statement he did. Is he really a leutanant? How the hell did he finish westpoint with his intelligence?


    I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.
    Again, they are terrorists. They don't apoligize. Get it?

    I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!
    see answer above.
    I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.
    Shows that he is kinda racist now against black people in africa. Also shows that he is dumb as a rock.
    Does he think that in Africa everyone is a cannibal?



    Here is my "sorry" part:

    removed it, I was mixing him up with another guy (oops), but regardless, I still think he is a fanatic and not suitable to serve in the army. Especially after reading his comments.
    Last edited by HorseArcher; December 13, 2005 at 06:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Adam
    I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    Even though the Arab world did send their condolences to the USA and even Arafat did so.
    Was this before all those people were dancing in the streets in Gaza, or after? I know some did. And again, I didn't write this, Mike Adam did. But, I did think it would spur on some debate. I only hope people can remain civil in the discussion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Adam
    I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    Again, what is this have to do with religion?
    Besides being a fact, I'm not sure. I didn't write this, Mike Adam did.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Adam
    I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    This is stereotyping the muslims themselves. They don't hate america, but don't like Bush and his agenda, in which case I don't like him either, so it's fair.
    Oh, so they flew the planes into our buildings because of Bush? They blew up the USS Cole because of Bush too? What about the US Embassies in Africa? The 1st WTC attack? All because they hate Bush? Beside the point anyway, reread the comment. It claims they 'breed hatred'. I didn't say 'all Muslims hate America'.


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    No comment. Why is he sorry about it? I'm glad that he was kicked out of every country (if that's true), but i am not glad his palestinian cause, but regardless of it, he was still a leader.
    Yea, a terrorist leader.


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    I am not sorry about this, it more like pisses me off, but there is a proper way of dealing with this which is legal prosecution of the involved elements.
    Can you say cover-up, Kofi?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Adam
    I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    Ah geez, stereotyping again?
    Some? How is some stereotyping. Saying all, yes that would be generalizing. Mike Adam has his facts right. There are some (well, one less now that Saddam is in prison).


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    He just said that most extremists (terrorists, or bombers he call them) said that most of the extremist are Arabs, now he is saying that they are foreign trained?
    I think he means trained outside Iraq. There is not 'one' Arab nation, as I'm sure you know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    And I'm happy that it's no WWII anymore and we don't carpet bomb a whole town.
    I bet he's coming from the standpoint of "We are showing restrain at the cost of our own boys lives." Unlike the Islamo Facists.


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    Again, they use the religion as a cause and unite thing, so no wonder. Kind of a stupid statement he did. Is he really a leutanant?
    I think his point is, they know we try to go out of our way (again, at the cost of our boys) to avoid damaging their holy sites. And the cowards that the 'insurgency' are, run and hide in them. Who has more respect for Islam? Not the terrorists.


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    Shows that he is kinda racist now against black people in africa. Also shows that he is dumb as a rock.
    Does he think that in Africa everyone is a cannibal?
    I think he's refering to the famine in Africa and the sheer size of Micheal Moore. You're the one who pointed out they are black....Is Libya? Egypt? Hmmmmm Your mind came up with the racist part. Mike Adam made no such reference. (PS, I know you aren't racist Archer, but common.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    This is not made by a Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman.
    It is made by a guy called Mike S Adams
    http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu.../14/12021.html
    http://www.americasvoices.org/archiv...msM_061604.htm
    Thanks TB666. I figured one of you younger internet savy guys would check it's credibility. I had my suspisions about it being a US Marine General. Hope that puts everyone's mind at ease who were concerned about the state of the US Military Academy at West Point.

    So just replace word the General with Mike Adam. I never claimed it was authentic, again, just some food for the mud-pit to chew on.
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    Hell I'd rather be humiliated than have my head brutally chopped off with a machete on TV. How do you get that he's racist against African's? He just said that Moore was fat and could feed a village? Michael Moore is fat. He was just stating the truth.

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    its racist to think that the africans would even eat michael moore

    unless it was worded badly and one must assume that it meant the food that michael moore consumes could feed the village and not that he, himself would feed the village ala canabalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenfingers
    its racist to think that the africans would even eat michael moore

    unless it was worded badly and one must assume that it meant the food that michael moore consumes could feed the village and not that he, himself would feed the village ala canabalism
    I still think it is more racist though... and I just cannot misunderstand what he said, since Michael Moore is really fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    I still think it is more racist though... and I just cannot misunderstand what he said, since Michael Moore is really fat.
    Implying he eats more than most African Villages. Take it as you will I guess

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    Wow I must admit that I dont exactly agree with how he presents muslims (he's more talking about radicals rather thatn 'actual' muslims) I do agree with the main point of his letter. That fact is that the US is fighting a barbaric, savage, unweilding, uncompromisng, and violent enemy, and yet our own media, our own populace, is turning us into the bad guy. I really hate it.
    I love my country but I hate its population. Its this same ignorance, this same cowerdism, this same feeling of invulnerability, that will eventualy bring about the downfall of this country. What happend to the America of the WW2? Where the population supported the war and the troops. Where there would be casualtie reports of thousands ans still the US stood firm in its mission. Why cant America be like that again?

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    This is not made by a Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman.
    It is made by a guy called Mike S Adams
    http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu.../14/12021.html
    http://www.americasvoices.org/archiv...msM_061604.htm

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    Obviously the only people who would agree with this letter would be conservatives. I think one of the points that Mr. Adams forgot was that our own soldiers are called terrorists back at home. Everytime there is a slip up or a mistake the media jumps all over it like it is the end of the world. No one has a story on a patrol at night. Everyone has to focus on the amount dead and how horrible it is. Well yes, war is horrible. Everyone knows that but there is another side as well. War can be honorable, courageous, and a glorious thing. The last thing we need is for our own media to portray the war with one side to tell. Show the bad stuff but don't make it seem like that is the only thing happening. When someone talks about the "left wing" media then they mean what is actually seen. In America these days there is no more moderates. There may be some in the country but there is so much extremitism being shown over the TV that any moderates are easily unheard. This letter isn't supposed to be politically correct. This letter is straight and to the point. I guess some of ya'll thought he poked too hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rahl
    Obviously the only people who would agree with this letter would be conservatives.
    What the hell? He is pointing out quite a few facts in this, sheltered behind opinion.

    Also, when he says that America has fought for Muslims quite a bit of thetime, he is simply countering what all the countries on Earth say about the USA- that we are racist against arabs and muslims, even though we help more Muslims than any other country on Earth.
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    Damn. Now I gotta go change my sig........................

    What he meant(I think) was that if Moore didn't eat for a day then the food he didn't eat could feed a village.

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