Russian Javelin Units

[AClockworkOrange]

I'm entertaining the idea of adding a javelin unit for Novgorod. (Either another faction's or make a dismounted Polotsk Boyar Druzhina.) Kievan Rus' gets Slavic Javelinmen and Chude Militia. Would it be grossly historically inaccurate to add a javelin unit for Novgorod?

[smitty]

I'm pretty sure the 500 unit max has been reached, so you'd need to use an existing one (probably Chude militia would be best). Keep in mind if you give that to Novgorod, you're taking the variety out of Kiev that keeps them slightly different from Novgorod.

[Olaf The Great]

You can also remove lots of redundant units. like almost every ship and the turkish horse archer copies.

[Tears of Destiny]

You can also remove lots of redundant units. like almost every ship and the turkish horse archer copies.

WHAT?!

I like my ships, very crucial!

[RollingWave]

what i'm doing in my moorish mod is that say... i use peasant crossbow for both the city and castle, and thus freeing up the crossbow militia (which i turned into a arbalest unit) , if you use this method you can free up a boatload of units simply by merging all the peasant xbow / xbow militia , levy archer / archer militia , levy spearman / spear militia etc.....

Speaking of novogod units, i notice something odd while editing through the EDU, the mounted senior militia only have a primary attack and not a seconadary sword attack like most other cav, thus making them nearly useless after the charge. (since their attack is 2)

[Lemming69]

i think the rusichi mod has javelin units for novgorod so it must be accurate

[k/t]

"Speaking of novogod units, i notice something odd while editing through the EDU, the mounted senior militia only have a primary attack and not a seconadary sword attack like most other cav, thus making them nearly useless after the charge. (since their attack is 2) "

You should ask PB if that's an error.

[Point Blank]

"Speaking of novogod units, i notice something odd while editing through the EDU, the mounted senior militia only have a primary attack and not a seconadary sword attack like most other cav, thus making them nearly useless after the charge. (since their attack is 2) "

You should ask PB if that's an error.

Senior mounted militia are only modelled with a spear, they have no secondary weapon.

[RollingWave]

also, Chud Militia has 4 armour, the same as dismounted (or mounted ) mailed knights, I think thats juuuust a bit off

[AClockworkOrange]

Thanks for the replies. This summer I took out Hunters and some ships. It might have been historically inaccurate, but I took out Scandinavian and Byzantine ships and replaced them with ships everyone else uses.

[Olaf The Great]

Thanks for the replies. This summer I took out Hunters and some ships. It might have been historically inaccurate, but I took out Scandinavian and Byzantine ships and replaced them with ships everyone else uses.

What I suggest is making a single type of boat for each class,for example;small boats, big boats, gun boats, big gun boats. Then, for each picture in the description have the picture that the specific culture/faction uses, and in the description give the type of boats that each culture would use.
Unique boats like Dromon or that Portugese Carrack will be seperate.

Bam, you free up like 20 slots.

Also, please remove all the levied peasant units, the AI likes to spam these whenver it can and that's bad.

[k/t]

Not only knights had armour. Richer citizens had it too. After all, they're militia. They're supposed to be equipped to fight.

If units had to be removed, I'd also be in favour of removing culture-unique ships. Keeping the right units is more important than the right ships. I don't know how the Georgia thing will play out, but we'll see.

[RollingWave]

Yeah, but the odds of early era militia having the same armour as knights to start seems juuuust a bit outside

[k/t]

I haven't noticed peasant spam. Actually, I'm not sure if I've ever seen the AI use them.

[Chees3]

I haven't noticed peasant spam. Actually, I'm not sure if I've ever seen the AI use them.

Nor have i.In your experience,which faction seems spams them?

[Caesar Clivus]

Actually Chud militia should only be given to Novgorod, not Kievan Rus. The Chud were a Finnic tribe living at the eastern end of the Baltic. They paid tribute directly to Novgorod. At the very least they should only be an AOR unit only available in that region of the Baltic.

[AClockworkOrange]

Interesting. I'm going to work on changing them over to Novgorod then. Javelin is one of my most favorite weapons, so this will be a great addition to Novgorod.

Did any armies from Scandanavia use javelins?

[PerXX]

Interesting. I'm going to work on changing them over to Novgorod then. Javelin is one of my most favorite weapons, so this will be a great addition to Novgorod.

Did any armies from Scandanavia use javelins?

Not enough to justify a scandinavian unit with the javelin as the primary weapon.
However if was as far as I know fairly common in early medieval warfare to have the infantries throw various thrown weapons just before impact.
In that way, one could probably get away with giving the Viking Raiders or the Huskarls a javelin or two, like the Lithuanian Dismounted Noble Sons have at the moment.

Don't know if it's possible to add the Noble Sons animations to the Viking Raiders. If not, I think they'd just stand there, with javelins magically appearing and flying towards the enemy!

[RollingWave]

Interesting. I'm going to work on changing them over to Novgorod then. Javelin is one of my most favorite weapons, so this will be a great addition to Novgorod.

Did any armies from Scandanavia use javelins?

Vikings actually used javelins considerablly, at least a lot of the spearhead we dig up today seem to suggest they were used as a throwing weapon.

[AClockworkOrange]

Now, if Novgorod only had a more devastating halberd unit....