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    Default Faction Preview No 4: Macedon



    Faction Preview:

    The Kingdom of Macedon


    Models and Skins: Snevets, Research & Text: Apostates & Team, Map: Uranos, Additional Art: Lupus




    The faction's icon is the 16 ray sun,which like the 8 ray sun was a symbol that was widely used in Hellas. Actually it's most likely to be Philipp's blazon but we chose it because everybody is familiar with it, the other choices were the goat (symbol of the capital), the lion (blazon of Alexandros I) and the horn (symbol related to Alexandros III)




    - "I am Hellene by ancient descent, and I do not wish to see Hellas change her freedom for slavery to the barbarians..."

    Alexandros I, son of Amyntas, King and general of the Macedonians




    Macedonia

    The classical culture of southern Hellas needed a protective shield to grow and flourish. That protection against continuous barbarian invasions was provided by the Macedonians, a tough hellenic race akin to the Dorians; consisting of several sub-tribes that had retained their original Dorian lifestyle. These people, who Herodotus mentions as "Makednon Ethnos" (Macedon Nation), are, as their naming implied in Doric dialect, a race of tall and stout highlanders. They lived pastoral and agrarian lives north of Mount Olympus, where by the myths, Karanos and Perdikkas settled after arriving from the city of Argos.The country was self-sufficient in products to meet basic needs (timber, cereals, game, fish, livestock, minerals) and soon became the exclusive supplier of other Greek states less blessed by nature. Forced to struggle continuously against Paionian claims in Macedonia, Thracian raids and Illyrians as well, who will later become their vicious enemies, and restrained by natural barriers preventing the Macedonians from intermixing and communicating with the rest of the Hellenic world. Thus the cultural gap between Makedonians and the advanced south progressively widened.

    Even though they remained in the margins of the Hellenic world they had preserved their traditions customs and festivals, while they enshrined an inherited Hellenic pride, claiming descent from Hercules, just as the Spartan royal house did. It can be considered certain that the kings of Macedonia did not shape these traditions of their descent from the Heracleids of Argos , drawing them from Greek literature of classical times, nor made them up to imitate the myths current in Greek cities about the divine descent of their most illustrious regal families, but had cherished them, handed down from one generation to another since time immemorial, as the Lares and Penates of their hearths and folk. In fact, when shortly before the Persian Wars the kings of Macedonia appeared on the Greek historical scene, they themselves announced their origin, proudly proclaiming the Argeadic legends as their very own, unquestionably so on the ground of a family tradition centuries old. The foremost historians of ancient times, Herodotus and Thucydides, along with Aeschylus and Euripides, the two significant drama writers regard the Hellenic origin of the Macedonian royal house as granted.

    Until 6th century they lived isolated from other Hellenes and were linguistically less developed than the attic dialect spoken in Athens. Their language was a distinct Dorian dialect in which male and female names end in -as and -a, similar to other Dorian dialects, where in Attic we have endings in -es and –e. The vast majority of even the earliest names, whether dynastic names or not, are Greek, formed from Greek roots and according to Greek models. In their dialect they speak "V" akin to "F". This is clear from the fact that the Macedonians call Philippos "Vilippos" and pronounce the Phrygians "Vrygians" etc. Generally its most likely that their language was an archaic form of Greek, with many Dorian elements, which was also spoken from western Greek populations like the Aitolians, who also were not considered civilized enough, though obviously of Hellenic descent.

    Macedonia had more in common with Epirus and Thessaly than the other greek states. The state-form was unusual: in one sense a federal state composed of autonomous Macedonian tribes subject to the central authority (Orestai, Elimeiotai, Lynkestai), yet also a state with a strong, though democratic monarchy and a society of farmers and stock-breeders capable of defending their land. Macedonia evolved over the centuries into a power of world-wide influence and prestige. It was ruled by a king from the Argead/Temenidae dynasty whose authority was not absolute, since he had to consult the army of Hetairoi, a name that was preserved directly from Homeric traditions. Such a king was Alexandros I, bold and fearless he answered to the Persian request to his father Amyntas I for subjection by killing the emissaries, like both the Athenians and the Spartans did later. In favour of the Pan-Hellenic cause (but at the same time making sure to take good care of his own kingdoms future), Alexandros I, risked his own life, informing the Hellenic alliance of the Persian movements and plans. He was not only an admirer of the advanced civilization of southern Hellas and a true lover of the arts, but also took part in the Olympic Games in the "stadion" contest finishing second, close to the first runner and marking a new era for Macedonia through their interaction with the other Greeks. His successors, mainly Archelaos I, continued to reform the state and adopted the more refined culture of his southern neighbours, but at the same time retained many archaic and myceanic features of the past.

    Much more has to be done if Macedonians are to be considered a formidable and respectable state. Danger now comes from the east.
    The Persians are setting their sights on a European realm and the Macedons are the first obstacle for them in the Hellenic mainland and will be called to repel the threat or submit to it.
    Will the Macedonians stand against the upcoming invasion of an army of great numbers that has never been seen before in the homeland of these unyielding highlanders? In the next 2 centuries the despots of Asia will be paid back by Zeus' revenge and Macedonian courage!




    Area/Regions around Macedonia






    Macedonian Troops:



    Top row: Macedonian Levies, Lynkestai Swordsmen,
    Macedonian Cavalry, Macedonian Archers
    Bottom row: Royal Guard, General's Bodyguard, Royal Hunters
    and Paionian Cavalry.




    Macedonian Levies:
    The Levies of Macedon constitute the backbone of the Macedonian army. They throw javelins and if needed they charge into combat with swords. Wearing the traditional Macedonian hat/turbin the 'kausia', the Levies of Macedon, although with little choice in their service are fierce and able fighters in the spirit of their heritage. Their role is to provide infantry support to the nobles who fight on horse.



    Lynkestai Swordsmen:
    The Lynkestai are a province specific unit for Lynkestis who fight in the Illyrian manner. They carry the unique wooden, convex circular shield attesting their independance from the cultures of both Macedon and Illyria.
    Their homeland was soon annexed to Macedon and some of their chiefs even raised claims to the Macedonian throne!



    Macedonian Cavalry:
    The main power of the Macedonian army and the most famous unit as well within the ranks of the Macedonian army, the Macedonian Cavalry are the predecessors of the Companions of Alexander. The Macedonian Cavalry are fearless, using their short spears both to impale the enemy, to set them up for a charge and in the charge itself. Their only disadvantage is their limited numbers.



    Macedonian Archers:
    The archers of Macedon have gained their skills through hunting for a living. They are traditionally recruited like the levies are, from farmers, hunters and pastors who have a basic pre-existing knowledge of archery.



    The Royal Guard:
    An elite unit, their purpose was to defend the Macedonian royal house, the royal guards are fearless warriors who are equivalent to the later corp known as "royal hypaspists". They dont fight in the hoplite manner and bear the royal emblem, the lion, they also wear phrygian helmets, which had not yet become popular in mainland Hellas.



    General's Bodyguards
    The cavalry division of the royal guard, these men have one job: protect the king by following his lead into battle. They wear breast armour and fight with short spears and the big kopis sword which makes them superior to their thracian rivals.



    Royal Hunters
    A military unit in the kings service adept at espionage, the royal hunters are skilled at hidding almost anywhere. As a military unit they fight with short spears, axes and the "kopis" sword.



    Paionian Cavalry
    Another province specific unit, the Paionians are cavalry recruited from the traditional raiders of Macedonian lands. Once the royal house has resecured Macedon by defeating the Paionians and capturing their territory, the Macedonians can recruit these fierce warriors to fight for the royal house of Macedon.


    Update: New Unit

    Macedonian Pre-Hoplite Spearman


    These warriors carry hoplon shields while also preserving more archaic elements like missile weapons which are not common amongst hoplite equipement in late 6th century BC.




    We hope you have enjoyed yet another faction preview, and as always, your comments are welcome...



    If you would like to learn more about Hegemonia-City States, visit us at our development forum?.



    Thanks
    The Hegemonia Team
    Last edited by ozz; October 23, 2006 at 06:33 PM.

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    Ha I'm the 1st one.

    Nice preview Snevets. I've liked your units and models that you've done even before you should this publicly. Great work once again.


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    Yes, good work snevets, but next time write "I will post" first, not "posted" I beated apostate record in editing and sticking thread :laughing:

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    Very nice as usual. Macedon looks to have some good general troops (the levies).
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    Sweet they look so not the Macedonians all know and love. Like the light troop look about them.
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    I like how you have fused the barbaric and the hellenic ways in these units. For that is what Macedonia was, a mixture of Greek culture and the barbarians of the north. Once again looking forward to the release of this mod!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graccus
    I like how you have fused the barbaric and the hellenic ways in these units. For that is what Macedonia was, a mixture of Greek culture and the barbarians of the north. Once again looking forward to the release of this mod!
    macedonians was one of the most difficult factions regarding the decision of how they will look in that era due to lack of info.....
    i think the result is one of the best choices and very successful indeed

    Great work Snevets and Lupus
    in fact Lup has only done the faction icon
    most shield icons u usually see on units are also Lupus work however for Mac faction all the work is from snevets except a couple of textures striker had made in the past

    so that credit "Additional Art: Lupus" usually refers to the accurate shield icons that Lup has provided in big numbers......i ll edit that because in that case its not needed
    Last edited by apostate; December 13, 2005 at 03:39 PM.
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    Great work Snevets and Lupus, as always!
    New pics on 24/4/2007

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    Thank you. The units were made by me and the stunning faction icon was by Lupus.

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    Amazing! These units are simultaneously exotic in their historical haziness, suggestive of the future Hellenic style of war, and reminiscent of half-forgotten ancestral ways (plus the levies kinda remind me of STW’s yari ashigaru, on a nostalgic note). I was certain that I would play first as one of the southern Greek factions, but now these Macedonians are winning me over.

    Also, there are usually a lot of raves about the units, but ever since the first preview I have been equally excited by the faction descriptions, that are very informative and immersive, due to their historical depth (though prone to occasional minor syntactical errors). Many thanks and encouragements to whoever is writing them!

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    Beautifull... i`m speachless!!!!!!

    You guys... really have a gift for this.

    My commendations to you, and thank you for all your work.

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    Thanks both of you for your compliments. The modest author is Apostate, and the syntax errors aren't because he's a bad writer but a native greek speaker, so the sentence structure is often very different. Besides English is weird anyways...
    I'm starting to win myself over to Locris with the new units I'm making for them. Too bad its not going so well in the polls.... :wink:

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    Great job lads! Outstanding how you managed to give the Makethones a distinct feeling, Greek but also antiquitated, civilized but also barbaric. Great job.

    P.S. Snevets, if you create a new poll, I'll vote for Lokrians just to make you happy (despite me wanting baaaaadly them Kretans) because of your great work in those units

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    Great job ! but something disapoint me : the colour of the royal hunter... will they still be in "vanilla Parthian purple" for final relase ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narakir
    Great job ! but something disapoint me : the colour of the royal hunter... will they still be in "vanilla Parthian purple" for final relase ?
    i myself like that color....it makes the unit unique
    red or dark purple would also do but those colors are already present in other mac units

    also somebody may say that it makes the hunter too bright and it would make him easily spotted by animals
    however most animals dont see any colors (just the see white,grey or something)

    i dont think it needs to be altered

    Many thanks and encouragements to whoever is writing them!
    equal thanks and encouragements to ozz,rob and Ladirus who correct the mistakes
    in fact they need more this encouragement :laughing:
    ...but innocence was lost long ago

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    Will I don't know If I can fully answer your question. But theirs ben units that have been changed after the previews. Such as the Athenians were given a correction on some shields. So maybe you can hope that they lighten or darken the purple color. But knwoing the historians like Lupus and Apostate who know much more of ancient Hellas than me they wouldnt pick this color if it wasnt correct.


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    Those unit cards you did for the preview, are they the final ones? You know, to make posing the unit easier you can import the RTW animations into make using vercs cas importer/exporter script. All you have to do is extract the animations from RTW (which takes no time at all). It would get rid of the awkward poses and make things look a whole lot better.

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    in the game the units dont appear that way of course-if u mean the awkard size of the horse

    snevets was quite anxious to post that preview and he rushed ahead.....
    maybe he will make better plate with units sooner or later

    the units are final unless something dramatic happens
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    I know the ingame units don't look like that. I'm speaking about the aesthetics of those preview poses you chose. They look like unit cards (the things that are in the unit descriptions when you right click a unit). And the poses are, well, awkward. They are rather poorly posed. The feet look to be in unnatural positions, on some of them the arms are as well. I was just saying, to improve the "LOOK" of your unit cards (if those are infact the unit cards for the units) you should maybe scrap trying to pose them yourself and use RTW animations (which will actually be faster then posing them yourself as well). Ofcourse, if those were only quick renders for the sole use of the preview then by all means disregard everything I just said.

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    they are not the unit cards or the unit icons which we will use in the game!
    the creation of unit icons will be organised and managed by the 2d leader who is Lupus!

    the unit plates we show for previews are made by the people who skinned/modeled the faction units JUST for the needs of the preview
    ...but innocence was lost long ago

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