Have anyone notice the buggy "prec" in MTW2?

[flagcarrier]

First, I am a quite "legionary nerd"

I have tried such a long time to bring the legions back,as far as I know, "prec" is the key to let a unit to fire only before charge. I also set the unit class as "heavy".

Here comes the buggy stuff, for month long whenever ai uses it, the unit fires before charge, and goes to the close combat...then stand still and confusedthey are just keep "aiming" but not fighting, while even the weakest enemy chopping them down easily.

I even tried SPQR mod, but still, the great roman legions act like great rubbish.

Have anyone notice that, I will be happy to call myself a "greater idiot" if you say that the issue has been fixed for year long.

[Swagger]

maybe set the ammo the unit has to 1 so that the AI makes he uses his secondary unit (melee) after the ammo has ran out?

example from longbowmen unit:

stat_pri 6, 1, bodkin_arrow, 160, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 25, 1

the ''30'' means they have 30 ammo, or can fire 30 arrows

change it to:

stat_pri 6, 1, bodkin_arrow, 160, 1, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 25, 1

[flagcarrier]

Well, is that the only solution?

I dont want to be greedy, but even this method still causes problem, not so many ai troops can finish their "only" ammunition, which the buggy stuff almost certain comes back.

[Swagger]

can you post here your unit's EDU entry?

[Ishan]

Identical Threads Merged

[flagcarrier]

type d Jinetes knight
dictionary d_Jinetes_knight ; d_Jinetes_knight
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Light
accent Mediterranean
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier d_Jinetes_knight, 48, 0, 0.8, 0.321
mount_effect elephant +4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, cannot_skirmish
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square, shield_wall
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 9, 2, javelin, 55, 3, thrown, missile_gunpowder, piercing, spear, -25, 0.1
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown ap, ap, thrown
stat_sec 9, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, -25, 0.1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 6, 6, leather
;stat_armour_ex 4, 5, 0, 0, 7, 4, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 8
stat_ground 1, 0, 3, 0
stat_mental 15, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay -100001
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 520, 335, 100, 75, 520, 4, 130
armour_ug_levels 5
armour_ug_models d_Jinetes_knight
ownership england, france, venice, hre, spain, portugal
era 0 england, france
;unit_info 9, 8, 15


here it is, but as I have said, every unit with "prec" gets same problem, even vanilla one.

[Taiji]

type d Jinetes knight
dictionary d_Jinetes_knight ; d_Jinetes_knight
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Light
accent Mediterranean
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier d_Jinetes_knight, 48, 0, 0.8, 0.321
mount_effect elephant +4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, cannot_skirmish
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square, shield_wall
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 9, 2, javelin, 55, 3, thrown, missile_gunpowder, piercing, spear, -25, 0.1
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown ap, ap, thrown
stat_sec 9, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, -25, 0.1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 6, 6, leather
;stat_armour_ex 4, 5, 0, 0, 7, 4, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 8
stat_ground 1, 0, 3, 0
stat_mental 15, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 20
stat_fire_delay -100001
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 520, 335, 100, 75, 520, 4, 130
armour_ug_levels 5
armour_ug_models d_Jinetes_knight
ownership england, france, venice, hre, spain, portugal
era 0 england, france
;unit_info 9, 8, 15


here it is, but as I have said, every unit with "prec" gets same problem, even vanilla one.

When you set delays into negative ... Doesn't that mean that the action gets performed in the future??

OK, joking aside, I don't think negative values will work. Have you tested and confirmed that they do? There is really a difference between 0 and -25?

Also this 'thrown ap', what is it?

[flagcarrier]

@Ishan

Well, because I am not sure the problem is a "text" problem, or animation problem

[Swagger]

are you using any AI other than vanilla?

[SigniferOne]

I opened a similar thread here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=393980

Further discussion on the issue there.

[flagcarrier]

@swagger,
it is Xbai

but I think that the problem exist in every mod you can find, even vanilla, just try to give a "prec" to a javelin unit and do battle with this unit commanded by ai.

[flagcarrier]

Anyone can do help?

[Swagger]

from what i've read, you just add the put that attribute on the unit's stat_pri_attr

i still think that just giving 1 missile to your unit would automaticly makes them to switch to melee afterwards.. should work

[flagcarrier]

If the unit is under ai controlled, you will find that it will not finish the only ammuniation by many situation.(I don't want them to fire on me either.)
and the unit will keep firing in close combat, which 100% causes the problem again.

[Swagger]

try to remove the cannot_skirmish attribute

[SigniferOne]

Nah prec doesn't seem to work no matter what.

[Swagger]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221093

prec – This relic from Rome: Total War surprisingly seems to be totally functional. You add this to a missile unit’s primary weapon to allow it to throw one volley to weaken the enemy and then charge into melee, like the Legionaries of Rome: Total War.

[SigniferOne]

No no, it does work in that sense. If the unit is not bothered, it will properly launch one volley and then charge the enemy. That isn't where the problem lies. The problem is that if you attack this unit while it hasn't launched the volley, it will assume an idle stance and be completely bugged as your units cut it down.

[Swagger]

ah i see

what about dont use the prec attribute but only add 1 missile?

that way the AI will switch to melee after the 1st (and only) missile has been used..

[SigniferOne]

ah i see

what about dont use the prec attribute but only add 1 missile?

that way the AI will switch to melee after the 1st (and only) missile has been used..

Right, this is the path I thought I'd take in the other thread. You basically convert the legionary into a javelin unit with 1 ammo. However the problem is that ammo is hardcoded to be at least 2, AND, making him a plain javelin unit makes the AI use him as such <-- which you have to work to fix.