Forts

[palatinae]

Is there a possible way that forts be upgraded as towns and cities..fort..castle..fortress and so !?

also is it possible to make forts recruit special units for example "local mercenaries" and "nobles or generals"...and the nobles be limited to the number of forts..so we encourage players to take up forts from rebels...and it will sound so medieval as every noble had a fort or a castle..

if so..someone can pm with work needed to be done and i guess if taiji liked the idea to be in his mod..i can make that under his supervision..if this idea is possible !?

or to add a unit like"local nobleman"..or "local monarch"..and make the Character Holding title "king or faction heir" to recruit it !?

[TaronQuinn]

Simple and ONLY answer: Nope.

Everyone and their mother has wondered about this kind of functionality, but no one has discovered any way to make forts more than just idle garrison points. They can't recruit, they can't be governed, they can build, they can't be upgraded. I know some people have found a way to make them give an income bonus using traits/ancillaries, but thats a far cry from being a settlement.

Believe me, I wish something like what you ask was possible. Oh well....

TQ

[Kjertesvein]

There was also a mod which gave each fort a name, machiavelli was the name IIRC and it was Italian, but I think it's somewhere on TWC. That is pretty much it. You may place a resource under it, so merchants can be the "lord" of these vassal castles. Easy and simple, but still abit pseudo.

EDIT: Getting rid of the merchant class entierly aswell as all the resouces, and then replace it with a "minor lord"-agent which could gather resources from these fort's would be something... *thinks of great possibilitys*

~Wille

[TaronQuinn]

Hmm, sounds straightforward, but also complex.... Changing the merchants models to a general/lord's characters would be fairly simple. Make them look more militant or at least authoritative. Same for their portraits and text descriptions. The other side of that issue is the tough part: placing forts on resources, or, rather, placing resources by forts. The most logical way of doing that would be to leave the "common" less valuable resources where they are on the open map. Then move the expensive ones, like gold, spices, silk, ivory, and one or two others to fort-locations. This would reflect their centralized control/placement...the castle/fort protects the gold mine, the town/fort controls the ivory trade, etc.

An example is during the 6th century, silk weaving was a monopoly of the Imperial household in Constantinople, and gold coins could only be minted in the capital as well. Put a couple forts around Constantinople to represent both its fortified position, and its control of trade.....ugh, now I want to go try this myself. If it does end up in my Chansons de Geste minimod, Sivilombudsmen and palatinae get the credit haha!

TQ

[Taiji]

I think it's possible to set up the PSF's, using these agents, and so re-enable construction of wooden forts by generals.

Also I think the agent names could be stuff like 'blah blah castle'. With character labels displayed this makes them look more like settlements of a kind.

I suppose the agent could be a merchant on a resource, and I expect he could be script-killed, and replaced by another merchant belonging to the new faction, whenever a new faction comes in control of the fort. So then the colour of the label is correct and it generates income... But more income the further from the captial it is... Odd perhaps...

And then I wonder what happens with 'random_name', which is used rather a lot. It might produce generals with castle names or something...

Cool ideas in this thread though

[TaronQuinn]

Oh Taiji, you point a delighted side-benefit of this...BUT I've tried replacing one of the resources with a village model some time ago, and it wouldn't even load....not sure why. But if we could get it to work, then I could replace the model for tobacco and chocolate with a fort model, and any merchant/nobleman that trades/governs the chocolate/fort would lend their name to that location. BUT, I doubt the fort model would be garrisonable, i.e., the merchant/noble would just stand on top of it. But that would open the opportunity, as you say, of returning the buildable wooden forts.

I'm clueless about the names issue, but I bet you are correct, from my experience with the names files...merchants get the random names, so any "Rouen Castle" would end up also appearing in "Rouen van Vlanderen" or "Edward Castle" etc. In other words, problems.

For now, I'll just work on moving some forts and high-end resources around haha

TQ

[Kjertesvein]

So it will end up like CdG's version of Greenland? That sounds pretty smooth.

The next step would then be, which building is it tied to via recruitment. Any suggestions? The most basic solution would be to tie it to the Town Hall. Other idea would be to tie it to a non-building "building" called Feudalism, Lordship, Noble Estate or something like that. Think how dHRR does it with their feudalism building.

There is also the trait issue I guess.

~Wille