CTD at turn 215

**Shoryn** · September 30, 2010, 03:37 PM

Hi there,

Currently playing early campaign as Lithuania with :

Permanent Watchtowers
Savage AI
Faster Turn Times 3.0
Bugfixes
Teutonic Crusades 1.0 (this shouldn't matter)

A CTD occurs when I end the turn. The shields appears, and right at the beginning of the first faction playing after me (France), I get a CTD.
Running Win7, disabled UAC when installing, running the game as administrator (and didn't installed in program files, so no admin rights issues). I already tried moving around some characters to reset the "random" thingies.

I tried to spy France movements at their turn; they move some armies, and when they move a little stack with one or two unit in it, it move of maybe 1 or 2 cells and the game crashes. I would try to destroy this little stack but I don't know how to do that, unfortunately...

I attached the savegame and the complete system.log; here are the 100 last lines :

Code:

22:30:54.977 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.978 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.978 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.978 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_general_boost> fired
22:30:54.978 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.978 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.979 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.979 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.979 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 822 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:54.979 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 6
22:30:54.980 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.980 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.980 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.980 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.980 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.981 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.981 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 822 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:54.981 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 7
22:30:54.981 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.982 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.982 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 822 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:54.982 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 8
22:30:54.982 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.982 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.983 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.983 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:54.983 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 822 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:54.983 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 9
22:30:54.983 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_heir_boost> fired
22:30:54.984 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <AI_leader_boost> fired
22:30:55.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.003 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 8
22:30:55.004 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.004 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.004 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 7
22:30:55.005 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.005 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.005 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 6
22:30:55.005 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.005 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0072_Governors_Religion> fired
22:30:55.006 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.006 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 5
22:30:55.006 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.007 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.007 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 4
22:30:55.007 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.007 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.007 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 3
22:30:55.008 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.008 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.008 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 2
22:30:55.009 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.009 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.009 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 1
22:30:55.009 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.010 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.010 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = 0
22:30:55.010 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.010 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.010 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = -1
22:30:55.011 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.011 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.011 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = -2
22:30:55.012 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.012 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.012 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = -3
22:30:55.012 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.012 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0072_Governors_Religion> fired
22:30:55.013 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.013 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = -4
22:30:55.013 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.013 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.014 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = -5
22:30:55.014 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.014 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <inc_counter> at line 829 in mods/SS6.3/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
22:30:55.014 [game.script.counter] [trace] counter <bishop_count> = -6
22:30:55.015 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0004_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0093_Update_Normal_Difficulty> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0046_P_Normalise> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0083b_Update_Allies> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0084b_Update_Enemies> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0085_Update_Religion> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0089_Update_Band_Together1> fired
22:30:55.023 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0096_Increase_Global_Standing_New_Turn> fired
22:30:55.024 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0108_Update_Untrustworthy_Factions_Minor> fired
22:30:55.024 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <France> fired
22:30:55.024 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <FranceAI> fired
22:30:55.024 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <FranceBig> fired
22:30:55.024 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <FranceHuge> fired
22:30:55.024 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0104_High_Income4> fired
22:30:55.526 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <agents7> fired
22:30:55.526 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <King_Employes_Assassins_Failure> fired
22:30:55.526 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <master_of_assassins_vnv_trigger> fired
22:30:55.526 [game.script.anc] [trace] Ancillary <master_of_assassins> not added - chance 5, random 3 - but could not be received
22:30:55.527 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <agents9> fired
22:30:55.527 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <agents11> fired
22:30:55.527 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <general_bodyguard> fired
22:30:55.527 [game.script.anc] [trace] Ancillary <bodyguard> not added - chance 50, random 84
22:30:55.527 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <foodtaster_vnv_trigger> fired
22:30:55.527 [game.script.anc] [trace] Ancillary <foodtaster> not added - chance 20, random 76
22:30:56.807 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War a rencontré une erreur inconnue et va maintenat se fermer.

Thanks for the help

Edit : Destroying France with surrender_regions seems to fix the problem and I can get through the next turn but after that if I try to load a save the game crashes as well...

**Gorrrrrn** · October 01, 2010, 06:06 AM

could be a difficult one to pin down - at a guess I'd say it may be a problem with traits and ancilliaries somewhere.

can you check back through system.log to see what happens next after those entries (they're often repeated.)

might be something to do with the king.

(some days I'm too helpful

)

**Shoryn** · October 01, 2010, 02:23 PM

I try to delete triggers that seems concerned, but the CTD remains

**Shoryn** · October 06, 2010, 08:17 AM

Any help please ?

I really would like to continue this campaign

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 11:13 AM

Sorry, seens like I forgot to post here: I can't load the save and I suspect its Faster Turn Times 3.0

**Shoryn** · October 06, 2010, 11:51 AM

Oh noes. Of course, it's the only one that changes the campaign_script. D: Although I have no campaign_script error in the log... So I think this campaign is over. So sad. Anyway, thanks for the tips !

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Shoryn

Oh noes. Of course, it's the only one that changes the campaign_script. D: Although I have no campaign_script error in the log... So I think this campaign is over. So sad. Anyway, thanks for the tips !

Do you have an save earlier then that one you uploaded? A final charge onto the walls, so to speak.

**Shoryn** · October 06, 2010, 01:10 PM

I have 3 saves a couple hours before the crash and one from 9 days earlier

Maybe I should try them to see if the crash happens.

Edit : Loaded a previous save of the turn 215, and I can end the turn... Really strange... It seems that I did something during my turn that causes it crash. Will play some turns and give a feedback here.

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 01:13 PM

Good, upload those.

**Shoryn** · October 06, 2010, 01:23 PM

Here is it. This is the turn 216 : with the other save, you can't end the turn without a CTD. With this one it works

Only tried without doing anything for now ; I'll see if I play this turn if it changes something.

If you can open it you could give me your thoughts about my campaign

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Shoryn

Here is it. This is the turn 216 : with the other save, you can't end the turn without a CTD. With this one it works

Only tried without doing anything for now ; I'll see if I play this turn if it changes something.

If you can open it you could give me your thoughts about my campaign

I could even reproduce the savegame corruption with your old save. Very odd. Let us know if the problem turns up again, but I hope it just was some strange fluke.

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 02:12 PM

Ok... I guess I figured what my problem was with your saves. I forgot that your mod not only changes textures but modifies other files, we'll see in a minute.

**Shoryn** · October 06, 2010, 02:18 PM

Hm yes it changes the EDU too because I added armor upgrade levels for many lith units; I think that's why you couldn't load it !

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Shoryn

Hm yes it changes the EDU too because I added armor upgrade levels for many lith units; I think that's why you couldn't load it !

Did take me a bit longer because I had to setup Generic Mod Enabler so that I can roll back the change if necessary. I have to say I'm once again dissapointed by the lack of error handling...

**Shoryn** · October 06, 2010, 02:54 PM

Yep I hope. Anyway thanks for the help. What do you think about this campaign ?

Now I'm saving every turn in a different save

**bɑne** · October 06, 2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Shoryn

Yep I hope. Anyway thanks for the help. What do you think about this campaign ?

Now I'm saving every turn in a different save

I didn't really take a detailed look but nice empire indeed. I'd go for Enland, Scotland and Ireland next but thats just my preference for easily defensible positions