Considering RTW

[xcorps]

Hey guys, I've got MTW Kingdoms and Empires, very much enjoy Kingdoms, Empires a little less.

What can I expect from RTW in terms of gameplay/ai in contrast to MTW? I'm not really too worried about the graphics.

[Genius of the Restoration]

Don't expect any diplomacy. It's really quite lacking in RTW. Plenty of difference between different cultured factions. Play as Rome first to get to know the game. The AI is fairly basic, but if you put the difficulty level up you should be challenged enough as you play for a while. The battles also seem to go a bit faster than in M2 in my experience.

[xcorps]

Thanks kindly sir.

[Spartan90]

Play Rome and get used to it, then get one of the badass mods that appeals to you most

[shikaka]

compared to M2TW

pros:
+ more variable factions
there is a big difference between the roman short sword + pila, parthia's horse archery (without good inf!) and greece with only phalanxes, then between HRE (heavy inf, heavy cav), england (heavy inf, heavy cav, AND longbow) and Spain (heavy inf, heavy cav, AND jinettes). After a while, especially reneissance, the M2 armies are too similar (pikes+arquebus+sword...).

+ more challenge when not roman
In M2, there are no über factions. Beating the romans requires skill.

+ no annoying princesses and merchants

+ no 2hander/pikeman/shoot by rank bugs

+ no cannons to shoot your castle to bits

+ recruitable elephants



- a bit dated graphically (but still good IMHO)

- Battle AI is not good with phalanx units (the AI will not 'hold the line')

- there is a bug with squalor, which was solved in M2 (not easy to keep population down, and it causes unhappiness)

- religion is not a factor (until Barbarian invasions)

- even worse autocalc results then in M2


Also, be sure to get BI, which is brilliant with it's replayability!

[Fireright]

Rome is a fine game sadly scarred by squalor and rioting nonsense. Gameplay is fun and the graphics still hold up well.
plenty of faction and unit variety ensures high replay value which I consider money well spent.

Graphics aside, I regard Med2 as the better game, less rioting garbage and more in-game humour.

BI expansion never really 'did it' for me...still another good game but too many horse archers...and I hate horse archers.

Cowards

[shikaka]

Rome is a fine game sadly scarred by squalor and rioting nonsense. Gameplay is fun and the graphics still hold up well.
plenty of faction and unit variety ensures high replay value which I consider money well spent.

Graphics aside, I regard Med2 as the better game, less rioting garbage and more in-game humour.

BUT Med2 factions are still too similar to each other.

No real differences like between Britannia, Parthia, Rome and Greek cities...

BI expansion never really 'did it' for me...still another good game but too many horse archers...and I hate horse archers.

Cowards

Cowards? Meh...
I feel that I never have enough of them, until I create stacks with 15 HA units

Also celtcs, saxons, lombards, burgundians, berbers, etc. Quite some factions for the infantry addicts.

[Fireright]

Lest we not also forget to mention the mini-expansion 'Alexander'. cranking up the campaign/battle level to max difficulty will keep a player on his toes and muttering an obscenity or three at his monitor.

One of which will probably be at the woeful campaign map mini screen..."who the ---- designed that shocker"?!!

[xcorps]

Thanks guys, just finished DL RTW+BI+A from steam. Hopefully I'll get some time for it.

Does the Steam version have the same mod problems as MTW2?

+Rep to all when my counter resets.

[shikaka]

Does the Steam version have the same mod problems as MTW2?

edit: nevermind, misunderstood the question

[dacder]

get the game
get comfortable with the game
play multiplayer
never look back

[Darth_Revan]

get the game, enjoy the abundance of mods

[herne_the _hunter]

get the game, enjoy the abundance of mods

Second that

get vanilla out of the way and the world gets more interesting

[dacder]

get the game, enjoy the abundance of mods

Second that

get vanilla out of the way and the world gets more interesting

MP is so much better......

[saxdude]

Hardly... Anyway, the mods should be enought reason to get it, play Rome for a week or 2 and then install RS2 and see the absolute awesomesauce, completely different games.

[dacder]

Hardly... Anyway, the mods should be enought reason to get it, play Rome for a week or 2 and then install RS2 and see the absolute awesomesauce, completely different games.

how are they not better? your playing with a competant opponent.

[SonOfOdin]

Hardly... Anyway, the mods should be enought reason to get it, play Rome for a week or 2 and then install RS2 and see the absolute awesomesauce, completely different games.

I second this

[saxdude]

how are they not better? your playing with a competant opponent.

A bunch of 14 year olds insulting your sexuality and 30 year olds taking the game like south koreans with star craft is not my idea of better. If i want to play multiplayer im better off with my friends, and what can i say, i like to make an empire.

[Fireright]

A bunch of 14 year olds insulting your sexuality and 30 year olds taking the game like south koreans with star craft is not my idea of better. If i want to play multiplayer im better off with my friends, and what can i say, i like to make an empire.

Rock On. +rep

You forgot to mention the 'mystery disconnections' Saxdude matey when the other guy is getting thrashed.

what a load of shite.

[|Sith| Max]

Second that

get vanilla out of the way and the world gets more interesting

not seconded, OP,Give both a try before doing what failed competitive players do.

A bunch of 14 year olds insulting your sexuality and 30 year olds taking the game like south koreans with star craft is not my idea of better.

Then why play with such outcasts?

Rock On. +rep

You forgot to mention the 'mystery disconnections' Saxdude matey when the other guy is getting thrashed.

what a load of shite.

This is not NTW... what reason does one have to do such a thing.