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    An interesting article, and one that shows are there's often no logic in politics. US is the example here, but it can be generalised for many nations that a nation which supports democracy and freedom in certain countries, but turns it's back to the obvious anti-democratic/dictatorial regime of a country which favours it economically (usually oil).

    Azerbaijan Government has been see-sawing lately between the West and Russia. Though after the flotilla Azeri people actually burned Israeli, US flags (http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2...usa-adrbaijan/) which may hint that the people aren't that pro-West.

    Despite all this, it is rumoured that the West has listening posts along the Azeri/Iranian border, and given relations between Azerbaijan and Iran are strained this provides a good opportunity for the West.

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    Azerbaijan -- A Questionable Partner For The West

    by Elmar Chakhtakhtinski

    The favorite line promoted by the Azerbaijani government and its apologists abroad is that Azerbaijan is "an indispensable strategic partner" of the United States. While the country's geographic location and energy riches present a genuine opportunity for such an alliance, there is nothing strategic about the current cooperation between the Azerbaijani petro-dictatorship and the United States. Even the most basic elements of Baku's partnership with the West -- energy and security -- are casually threatened by Azerbaijani officials themselves.

    For the past year, frustrated at growing criticism of its authoritarian policies and rampant corruption, as well as the perceived neglect of the Obama administration, the government in Baku repeatedly hinted about cutting back its cooperation to support NATO's efforts in Afghanistan. In November, Azerbaijani Deputy Foreign Minister Araz Azimov, in a speech at Columbia University in New York, even entered the heated internal U.S. debate on Afghanistan policy, citing the lack of any real American war strategy and predicting the failure of the U.S. troop surge.

    Pro-government parliamentarians in Baku have suggested kicking out Western oil companies. The authorities also stopped state funding for Azerbaijani students studying in the United States, and the state-controlled media ratcheted up openly anti-American rhetoric.

    How can the country that claims to be the "closest U.S. ally" in the region so easily undermine every significant link that ties it to American interests in that region?

    Irreconcilable Difference?

    The answer lies in the fundamental incompatibility between the system that rules Azerbaijan today and the idea of its reliable partnership with and eventual integration into Euro-Atlantic structures. After all, this is the country where pro-government mobs are deployed along with police to disperse opposition rallies, bloggers are subjected to brutal attacks by civilian-clothed "athletes" and then thrown into jail, journalists are killed or kept behind bars in defiance of the decision by European Court of Human Rights, and Western radio stations are banned from local airwaves.

    In spite of the above-mentioned developments, both U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently visited Baku, trying to defuse the tensions. In an apparent attempt to please Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, Gates delivered a personal letter from U.S. President Barack Obama. And Clinton, to the dismay of rights groups and free-media advocates, even praised the regime for its nonexistent "progress" on human rights.

    In a telling answer to these American reverences, the Aliyev regime responded by increasing and upholding jail sentences for the imprisoned journalists and bloggers whose cases Clinton raised during her Baku trip. Aliyev signed an agreement doubling natural-gas sales to Russia, which is seen to come at the expense of Azerbaijan's crucial supplies for the Western-backed Nabucco project.

    Questioning The Course

    Such actions by the Azerbaijani leadership should serve as sufficient evidence that it lacks any strategic commitment to the pro-Western course. The regime views its relations with the United States and other powerful democracies as a mere tactic for protecting its own very temporal interests. It has neither the will nor desire to reform, as it considers the introduction of even basic political freedoms a threat to its hold on power. It thus veers eagerly toward Russia when it has a disagreement with its Western partners.

    Used to running the country by bullying opponents into silence, the Azerbaijani government seems to believe it can apply a similar strategy in foreign policy, albeit in a slightly more concealed manner. Indeed, looking at the recent U.S.-Azerbaijani discourse, one might conclude that the world's most powerful democracy is being forced by a small authoritarian petro-dictatorship to tone down the criticism of its human rights violations.

    But U.S. policymakers should be aware of the real cost of continuing, unquestioning support to the Aliyev regime, which results in alienating the growing segments of the population unhappy with the government's corrupt and oppressive policies.

    The windfall of oil revenues masks the absence of any sustainable economic model in Azerbaijan. Petro-dollars are being squandered through corruption in multimillion-dollar projects with inflated costs, with only a little trickling down to the general population. All major industries are monopolies tightly controlled by the circle of ruling oligarchs, leaving no viable avenues for other businesses. A decline in oil prices or some other financial downturn can easily lead to violent unrest with unpredictable consequences. As happened with other countries in that region, the forces of dissent turning against the despotic and corrupt government might also retain unpleasant memories of U.S. support for the falling dictatorship.

    Instead of futile and shortsighted efforts aimed at pleasing the ruling Azerbaijani dynasty, Western policies should focus on supporting those forces within Azerbaijan that promote the shared values of democracy and individual liberties. This is the basis upon which a true strategic alliance can be built.

    Elmar Chakhtakhtinski is the chairman of Azerbaijani-Americans for Democracy (AZAD), an American organization that advocates U.S. support for democracy in Azerbaijan and other countries. The views expressed in this commentary are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of RFE/RL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    An interesting article, and one that shows are there's often no logic in politics.
    Or rather, people have the understanding that they may support democracy and liberty and espouse it in foreign countries, but aren't naive enough to never do business with someone because they don't see eye to eye on many issues. There's something to say about being a realist and instead just talk about the lack of logic in politics. If anything your idea that a country shouldn't have ties with someone because they don't align with said country's own principles is contrary to logic and fits more with idealism. "Hey, we have something significant to gain from a relationship with you and-- oh wait, you're not the definition of a democratic government therefore we're going to go ahead and say off". Unfortunately, the realities of our world don't allow us that sort of luxury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Or rather, people have the understanding that they may support democracy and liberty and espouse it in foreign countries, but aren't naive enough to never do business with someone because they don't see eye to eye on many issues. There's something to say about being a realist and instead just talk about the lack of logic in politics. If anything your idea that a country shouldn't have ties with someone because they don't align with said country's own principles is contrary to logic and fits more with idealism. "Hey, we have something significant to gain from a relationship with you and-- oh wait, you're not the definition of a democratic government therefore we're going to go ahead and say off". Unfortunately, the realities of our world don't allow us that sort of luxury.
    Yes, I agree and something I've been arguing lately, people sometimes have the illusion that nations conduct their foreign policies based off of pre-conceived principles when this is not usually the case. It's about self-gain at that moment. It may be masked with principles, but in reality it just pure social Darwinism at play. Azerbaijan here is just one example out of the many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Yes, I agree and something I've been arguing lately, people sometimes have the illusion that nations conduct their foreign policies based off of pre-conceived principles when this is not usually the case. It's about self-gain at that moment. It may be masked with principles, but in reality it just pure social Darwinism at play. Azerbaijan here is just one example out of the many.

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    How is it Social Darwinism??

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    The USA should improve relationships with Armenia which is a lapdog of Russia, instead of improving relationships with Azerbaijan which tries to distance herself from Russia. Yeah hell, good logic. The USA must help the partners of her competitor at Caucasus, instead of enemies of her competitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    The USA should improve relationships with Armenia which is a lapdog of Russia, instead of improving relationships with Azerbaijan which tries to distance herself from Russia. Yeah hell, good logic. The USA must help the partners of her competitor at Caucasus, instead of enemies of her competitor.
    And again, in this whole thread I haven't even mentioned the word Armenia and you go about saying how my logic is flawed. Please read carefully before commenting next time.

    How is it Social Darwinism??
    nations competing with other nations for the strongest position (think of US & Russia during cold war); survival of the fittest, in a Darwinian society you have the same survival of the fittest I'm just scaling it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    And again, in this whole thread I haven't even mentioned the word Armenia and you go about saying how my logic is flawed. Please read carefully before commenting next time.
    But the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan is relevant to US relations with Azerbaijan because they have asked for US support against the Armenians. Plus Russia has historically been allied with Armenia just as white-wolf said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizsla View Post
    But the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan is relevant to US relations with Azerbaijan because they have asked for US support against the Armenians. Plus Russia has historically been allied with Armenia just as white-wolf said.

    No whitewolf is implying that in my original post I said US should improve relations with Armenia over Azerbaijan. I never even mentioned Armenia, and yet he criticizes "my logic" over it.

    Azerbaijan recently purchased missile weapons from Russia and has doubled gas supplies to Russia; I wouldn't call that distancing away from Russia...Both US & Russia are playing both sides when it comes to the Karabakh conflict in the format of the OSCE Minsk Group, which is comprised of Russian, American, and French officials. Azerbaijan actually on numerous occasions stated it's unhappiness with the US in the negotiating process: http://www.finchannel.com/news_flash...E_Minsk_group/
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    Meh.
    I really don’t care who said what about whomever.

    That article was from April. Robert Gates went to Baku since then. US criticism of human rights will probably be toned down now too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    And again, in this whole thread I haven't even mentioned the word Armenia and you go about saying how my logic is flawed. Please read carefully before commenting next time.
    Do you deny that Azerbaijan want to distance herself from Russia?

    Do you deny that Armenia is a lap dog of Russia?

    Do you deny that there is a little thorn called Karabagh between Azerbaijan and Armenia?

    How any one can comment on Azerbaijan without looking general picture of Caucasus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Do you deny that Azerbaijan want to distance herself from Russia?

    Do you deny that Armenia is a lap dog of Russia?

    Do you deny that there is a little thorn called Karabagh between Azerbaijan and Armenia?

    How any one can comment on Azerbaijan without looking general picture of Caucasus?
    The problem with this is the none of these statements are even remotely relevant and most are false or only partly true.
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    The problem with this is the none of these statements are even remotely relevant and most are false or only partly true.
    Tell me please which is false, which is partly true and why. Please tell me how it is not relevant.
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    National interests dictate that Azerbaijan would be a more attractive regional partner. Easily defensible border with Iran. Fastest route to Tehran. Massive oil and gas reserves. Potential Russia-avoiding pipelines and access to these reserves. Predominantly secular government and people. One of the fastest growing economies in the world (was the fastest last year i think). However, Armenia has a much more influential diaspora.




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    It’s not like the West has a choice. We need the northern supply route to Afghanistan. We need it more and more as Pakistan gets worse and worse.
    Hopefully the US can avoid getting involved in the ethnic conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. The Russians seem to be playing both sides: selling arms to Azerbaijan whilst simultaneously signing a military agreement with Armenia.
    There are other more distressing issues with the northern supply route: Kyrgyzstan and relying on cooperation with Russia, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post

    Azerbaijan Government has been see-sawing lately between the West and Russia. Though after the flotilla Azeri people actually burned Israeli, US flags (http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2...usa-adrbaijan/) which may hint that the people aren't that pro-West.
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    What people?

    Do you know where that happend? Nardaran...

    Its a well known extremist place funded by Iran. Its not even 0.01% of Azerbaijan. In Azerbaijan, there is no extremism. So please do not spread such non-sense. I m proud to be Muslim, but our society are nothing like that.

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    I must really disagree with that article. Seems like another "butt-hurt". Especially the same bla bla about "democracy, corruption". I got one thing to say, move on.

    About West and Azerbaijan, its West that distanced itself not Azerbaijan.

    Azerbaijan excepted support (including military) after energy deals but received none. Opposite, we see that they turn against Azerbaijan.
    I know for a fact that in Turkey the public has a rather negative perception of the West, especially of Israel, despite the governments close dealings with the West. I would suspect Azeris are mixed in their opinion, the more religious ones won't support such ties, the more secular ones may support the West or others who are more old fashioned may support Russia.
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    Actually history has proved that sometimes the best way to liberalize a country is to continue contact with it. For example look at China. During the period since the US and China have resumed relations and have been on over all good terms, rights of Chinese citizens have greatly improved. Look at South Korea and Taiwan, once military dictatorships and now very democratic nations.

    There is a reason Kim Jong Il refuses contact with the West.
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