Most BS comeback ever

1v1 on Galician Ria
Frost Hosted
Rules: No Fixed Artillery

I take full control of the field even though he brought artillery to force me up anyway. So I attack aggressively. I ended up beating all his forces until he starts to run his forces away. I beat his regrouped army and then he runs to a safe house.

Now everyone knows that an infantry unit is more capable in melee then a light infantry Prussian Fusilier.
I send not only a swiss foot ahead of my force , but I also send in 4 more units after to finish it off. Then all of a sudden, my entire force sent mass routs.

That was bull**** and my opponent said so himself and he also said I deserve to win, but he did anyway. So learn from my mistake. Don't attack these overpowered safe houses.

http://www.filefront.com/17313631/1v1

How much men were left in those units?

Frost is my ingame name.
I still feel sorry for you... Been in that situation myself a few times. Try attacking a house occupied by an old guard unit with a few normal line infantry.

In this case there are some more factors involved though, namely your units' morale was pretty low because your general got killed and most of your units were very tired or even exhausted. And when 1 unit begins to route the morale drops even lower. Guess that caused your forces to mass route. Either that or a unit of Prussian fusiliers in a house look more frightening than Lady Gaga without makeup.

The strange thing however is that after that you've occupied another house with your Polish Line, they got beaten by the same heroic Prussian fusiliers. That makes me wonder if the house layout itself is a factor for indoor combat. E.g. that some kinds of houses favor the defending side, while others favor the attackers.

Originally Posted by vanadis

Frost is my ingame name.
I still feel sorry for you... Been in that situation myself a few times. Try attacking a house occupied by an old guard unit with a few normal line infantry.

That's entirely different. Old Guard have fear ability to lower morale, reload fast, and excel at melee combat.

I sent in five infantry units (more in number then that Prussian Fusilier and are more capable in melee). It's just bull how my units didn't get morale boosts from friendly units nearby or superior local force, but they routed anyway. I only call this a stolen victory after the things I did . I suggest a best two out of three on grassy flatlands where you can't use the terrain to your advantage.

You had the full intention to pepper my guys with your artillery and wait for me to attack and use your better skirmishers to win the light infantry fights and eventually beat the rest of my forces. I beat your flanks and even when you started to run, I still followed and surrounded your regrouped forces and defeated them. I even went as far to melee most of your army that routed the field. (The Big Hill Battle for example)

Also, don't forget that I routed your gen staff near that house recently during that assault on it.

I had a thing like this a few times when they basicaly loose the battle put their fresh troops they have left into a building u throw in all ur men for me i had like 5 times more men and I lost. thats when i started bringing 1 horse art or some howies to g ria

it really, really, REAAAAAAALLY annoys me when you thrashed an opponent on the field, completely outmanuever them, then they simply retreat into a house with a few depleted units and you're forced to go into melee with them. if the only thing you have left is cav and light infantry/skrims, then you're well stuffed.

imo, it's not fair for someone to host, set rules as no art, then proceed to garrison a building. stand in the open field and take the hail of musket bullets like a man.

Originally Posted by Titus Maximius Thongus

it really, really, REAAAAAAALLY annoys me when you thrashed an opponent on the field, completely outmanuever them, then they simply retreat into a house with a few depleted units and you're forced to go into melee with them. if the only thing you have left is cav and light infantry/skrims, then you're well stuffed.

I wasn't forced to go into melee, I just thought it would be proper to attack since I had the larger force left. I guess Im not gonna show mercy like that again

i hate it when things like that happen. u have done all the work and then it just goes tits up. its a real injustice..

Well the fatigue would make a huge difference given how the game mechanics works in TW games. Your numerical advantage wouldv'e been reduced due to fighting in confined quarters and the individual soldiers which were waiting for their time to fight would've been considered engaged and thus not recouping stamina. Now if his one unit was not too badly depleted whilst your units were that is a further factor towards mass rout.

Yes it seems BS but you could've won by either resting your troops or denying your opponent the opportunity to move into the house in the first place.

So basically you lost due to your own error in judgement and/or overconfidence. happens.

sometimes you wish that you could make those soldiers suffer if they rout.but it really does take the p*** when all your soldiers rout even though they have the numbers advantage.if soldiers were tired or exhausted that might explain it still a four unit advantage should have scared the fusiliers into routing without any engagement.

Fatigue came to be a major problem after the patch, if you units are very tired, or even worse, exhausted, they are useless in melee. I was in a 3v3 where my allies opponent had take all militia, then proceeded to run to a hill. My ally, who had russia, followed him up, but his troops were all exhausted, so he pretty much was being destroyed until our heavy cav hit the militia and destroyed it. But beware exhausted troops are useless in melee.

and in firearm combat.they miss like every shot, and are worse than armed populace.

Houses are op when you have no cannons

One thing i have found is one unit of horse art positioned 150m or so from it will devestate all inside and the house.

its probaly artifical meele and moral bonuses when garrisoned

old guard in houses are truly OP. must be their hats.

they shouldnt physically be able to get in lol, the doorway is usually too short but ah well.

there's actually a energy shield and personal teleporter hidden inside each old guard shako. they're also armed with satellite guided musket balls.

next you will tell me they are replica soldiers =S

1) Have your troops surround the building and have them rest from a safe firing distance.
2)Once rested send 1 for melee and have the rest fire at his unit if it's in the upper floors of the building(minimal friendly casualties).
3)His unit will become exhausted by the time it defeats yours, send another into melee for the kill.

Or, if map allows it and the Waterloo buildings are no longer virtually invincable, artillery bombard it and force them out, while having your remaining troops shoot at them. If no artillery, and you have a good book around, wait them out.

I watched the replay.

I would have expected that the first Swiss Foot unit would have won the fight vs. the Fussiliers in the house by themselves. What I think happened was that one of the 2 units that followed it in (don't remember which) was badly depleted, took a couple casualties and routed, starting a chain rout. The morale penalties of Tired + General Dead + Friendly Units Routing all added up at just the right time.

Frankly I would have done the same thing you did - I would have figured that 5 Inf. units would be able to take the house regardless of those factors. Bizarre set of circumstances, but it does make some sense if you think about it.

Obviously the better play at that point would have been to rest, let the General Dead penalty wear off, then assault, but who would think you'd need to do that?

I feel you were also unlucky that his Cav unit got through to your howitzer - another accurate shot from it should have routed that unit. Of course, moving one of the two line units in the area closer to the howitzer probably would have worked as well. Leaving arty unescorted is a problem lots of people deal with once the game 'opens up'.

But, all in all, I would have done the same thing.