Further evidence that Iran's President is a nutjob

[Caelius]

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TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave on Thursday in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which sparked widespread international condemnation.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

Historians say six million Jews were killed in the Nazi Holocaust. Ahmadinejad's remarks drew swift rebukes from Israel and Washington.

"This is not the first time, unfortunately, that the Iranian president has expressed the most outrageous ideas concerning Jews and Israel," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

"He is not just Israel's problem. He is a worry for the entire international community," he added.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "It just further underscores our concerns about the regime in Iran and it's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons."
Once allies

Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel and continued Western support for it.

Close allies when Iran was ruled by the U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.

Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist state" and has developed missiles which can reach it. It says it would use them if Israel, itself believed to be nuclear-armed, tried to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

Earlier in his remarks, the Iranian president, a former Revolutionary Guardsman who won a surprise election victory in June, said:

"The question is, where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands.

"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?"

Jews trace their roots in Israel back to Biblical times.

Ahmadinejad concluded his remarks by reiterating Iran's proposal that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved via a referendum of all the inhabitants of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank as well as Palestinian refugees in neighboring countries.

"Whatever they decide will be accepted by all humanity. This is a clear democratic solution which is based on international principles," he said.

Truly great idea to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, especially with the whole Holocaust denial angle.

[Fenris]

He does have a good point in saying that european countries should have given portions of their territories instead of taking the palestinian ones. But yeah, he's one sad guys...

[Richard the Lionheart]

Everyone knows this guy is a nut-job. I think he's got a couple screws in his head loose.

[Ummon]

Everyone knows this guy is a nut-job. I think he's got a couple screws in his head loose.

Apparently, he was elected...

[Ahiga]

Fenris is right, it was a good point that would have had more substance if he was not so vengeful of simply erradicating them.

It begs the question of if the Native American's should gain the same, and the kind of events that would unfold if you forced americans off their land years in the future, for very similiar reasons to the creation of the state of Israel.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

perhaps the problem is he has a couple of skrews in his head???

[Guderian]

Politics of the ME my friends, you cannot be a head of state in the ME by supporting to Isreal, the few who did got assasinated for trying.

[Legio XX Valeria Victrix]

Well, Ahmadinejad as the president of Iran is really a product of our own foreign policy...

Look at it from their point of view. Their last president was relatively moderate, but all the sudden they have American military forces first on their borders to the east, in Afghanistan. Then they have US military personnel to the west, in Iraq. All the while Washington is maintaining a relatively hawkish stance on their nuclear capabilities. So I am not surprised in the least that they elected a hardliner as president.

His comments really don't surprise me either. Iranians have hated Israel for decades, how is this news?

[Scar Face]

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Truly great idea to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, especially with the whole Holocaust denial angle.

Most of what he says makes sense. Even if I don't agree with it. To an extent I do. But i don't care enough either way. They twisted his words regardless the Isrealies in Palentine aren't the same jews. Mabey 5 are? So NO they can't trace there roots back to ancient times. Only the religion can they. He's saying palentine was a majroity in that area before it was created where most isreale's flocked there and have no right to be there more then palentine. Not nessacarly i agree with that but I understand it. His remarke on the Zion relgion was a really good and you know what. I support it!

[Mr.Flint]

Most of what he says makes sense. Even if I don't agree with it. To an extent I do. But i don't care enough either way. They twisted his words regardless the Isrealies in Palentine aren't the same jews. Mabey 5 are? So NO they can't trace there roots back to ancient times. Only the religion can they. He's saying palentine was a majroity in that area before it was created where most isreale's flocked there and have no right to be there more then palentine. Not nessacarly i agree with that but I understand it. His remarke on the Zion relgion was a really good and you know what. I support it!

1. Use a spellchecker, i get headaches trying to understand what you write.
2. Educate yourself. Wikipedia is a good start.
3. Supporting anything he said is a very bad idea.

[Scar Face]

1. Use a spellchecker, i get headaches trying to understand what you write.
2. Educate yourself. Wikipedia is a good start.
3. Supporting anything he said is a very bad idea.

1) My spelling isn't that bad you can get the Jist of what im saying
2) do have education
3) no it isn't
4) Don't be an ass
6) Anything more oh so funny Mr.Flint?

[visigothe]

proper spelling has no place on teh interwebs

i hate fgts who complain about dat ****

[Scar Face]

proper spelling has no place on teh interwebs

i hate fgts who complain about dat ****

Yehz Dats wahts Ims sasyins man ahahahah youse so getis me LOL!!1!1!!!!!11111!1!!!1!! ROFL LOL LMFAO !1!1!1!1

[Mr.Flint]

1) My spelling isn't that bad you can get the Jist of what im saying
2) do have education
3) no it isn't
4) Don't be an ass
6) Anything more oh so funny Mr.Flint?

1) I used a spellchecker to understand it,since the more or less understandable phrases caught my attention, and seriously whats the problem to write properly? (note: it is in the forum rules)
2) I said "educate yourself" not "get an education"
3)It is, unless you want to make a fool of yourself.
4) Is being polite now called being an ass? then i rather be an ass.

and last, after 4 there is 5, not 6.

[ForgottenImmortal]

Its an Muslem fundamentalist, no different than Pat Roberts, just a religious nutcake. However his point is rather amusing and true, how would Europe like it (or America, for us Americans) like it if other powers came in and said, "hey these people were terribly abused by this evil man with a mustache, so you got to give up your holiest city to them, cause hey, its their holiest city to. Now even though you've owned it since 600 AD and its just as much yours as theirs, well they deserve it more."

Not only that but when it comes down to it, the Jews revolt and with brute force take it over, now how would any American react with militias were taking over Washington D.C. ? I know I'd be raising a rucus over it, that's for sure! Same for any other country or religion and their holy places, I think forming Israel was politically a huge error, maybe it was righteous to return the Jews to their homelands, but politically, only thing its going to lead to is war, war, war and more war. It was just stupid, but hindsight is always 20/20.

I just can't believe nobody opened up a book on the Crusades during the whole parition of Israel and looked at what happens when two religions fight over the same holy land.

[Scar Face]

1) I used a spellchecker to understand it,since the more or less understandable phrases caught my attention, and seriously whats the problem to write properly? (note: it is in the forum rules)
2) I said "educate yourself" not "get an education"
3)It is, unless you want to make a fool of yourself.
4) Is being polite now called being an ass? then i rather be an ass.

and last, after 4 there is 5, not 6.

1) I was writing reasonably for words I don't know im not gonna sit there for twenty minuites to figure it out. It it's in the forum rules as to do not to the joke I did above not spell a few words wrong.
2) I know what you mean't I have education and I'm confused on to what you mean? What ubsurdly stupid thing did I say in my original post?
3) No it isn't your making a fool of your self. In previous things this man has said he seemed a sico. Here however he doesn't. Oh and if you look around apporxmently 1/3 of people said they understood what he mean't.
4) You weren't be nice. You were being snippy and just plain and simply being an *******

And for the last part I did have a 5 but realized I would get a warning and took it out. Forgot to change the number at the side.

So genuis Flint have any apsboutly pointless posts to give me? Keep on going all your gonna get is a warn and make your self look stupid (Oh wait you alrdy did my mistake!)

[Omnipotent-Q]

2. Educate yourself. Wikipedia is a good start.

I would suggest against it.....apart from a few featured articles, there can be many inaccuracies in their articles, due to the openness of their system. I suggest you find another source of information.

1) I used a spellchecker to understand it,since the more or less understandable phrases caught my attention, and seriously whats the problem to write properly? (note: it is in the forum rules)

I don't think there are rules in the Terms of Service against having a few spelling mistakes.

[humvee2800]

The isrealis owned the land and never "kicked"the arabs on it so the arabs only real problem with the isrealis is that theyre not muslem.

[PacSubCom]

This is the article in the german weekly DER SPIEGEL, online version, loosely translated by me.

Warning: Parts of it could be meant ironically.

While the German Chancelloress Angela Merkel called Ahmadinedschad's suggestion as "totally unacceptable", with this hasty judgement she did not take into account that in a humantitarian view, it is indeed an improvement: Israel should not be destroyed, but the "zionist entity" should be relocated". The Iranian president does not want the Israelis driven into the sea anymore, now he wants to sent them onto a journey across the ocean.

Europe should take back a problem it has created. But the recipient refuses the package even before it has been sent.

Historically, the idea isn't as absurd as it is now presented. The zionist movement itself for a long time wasn't clear about where it's "piece of the earth" (Herzl) should be, where Jews could manage their own affairs. That palestine was finally chosen had historical-emotional as well as practical reasons. Wilhelm II. saw himself as the protector of the holy sites in Jerusalem, and so was receptive to Herzl's ideas. Had the first world war not intervened, the project could have had some success.

So the jewish state was established after the 2nd world war, under wholly different and more dramatic circumstances. It was not all about giving the jews a home, but also for Europe to get rid of over half a million displaced persons, the survivors of the holocaust. The old jewish prayer "next year in Jerusalem" became reality.

But as it is with fulfilled dreams and wishes that become reality, as soon as the Europeans had solved one problem, it created a fresh one. Because it is difficult to get the message across to the Palestinians why they suddenly should share their land with Jews who were mistreated by Europeans. The Palestinians are not responsible for the pogroms from Kishinew to Kielce or for the concentration-camp policies of the Nazis.

It is a european problem. What Ahmadinedschad now demands is the return to the costs-by-cause principle, that the party responsible is liable for the damages.

Ahmadinedschad has principally right. And instead being outraged over his suggestion it would be better to look at the advantages it persents for all parties. The Israelis would finally get rid of their biggest problem: Security. Because then Germany would be responsible for that. And in the light of the traditionally good german-arab relations no arab country would dare to attack Germany.

The second big advantage would be: Instead of spending lots of money to travel to Europe the Israelis would already be there, where they feel good, where you can shop so splendidly and you can go by bus and train even on Saturdays. For the german side the advantages would even be bigger. The "jewish contribution to german culture" would finally be back again, painfully missed since 1939. No languishing for fresh bagels anymore, for real Klezmer and kosher fingerfood, for jewish inventors and nobel prize winners. They would all fall under the german statistic.

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It goes on a little while. Indeed there are portions of germany with lots of free living space. So c'mon all you Israelis! Get back over here!

[Guderian]

Flint your borderline flaming, do you have an actual contribtution to this thread?