Urgently Needed Reform in the EU or Holy Roman Empire Mk II

[Exarch]

let's not kid ourselves, the EU needs reform, and while i'm all in favour of a "united europe" if the ppl are for it, several changes must be made, first and foremost.

1) the following territories need to be ceded to the government of Germany for administration or overlordship or at least a policy of 'one country many systems' under German suzerainty: the goal should be this:


2) the common language in the EU should be either German or English, most vehemently not french.

those 2 for now, any other suggestions?

[Treize]

No...

[Enemy of the State]

Is this a joke?

[Taxandrius]

[Treize]

Probably.

[Treize]

I'd rather have France as our overlord. germany is a country led by a bunch of pussies. Atleast France would lead us to world domination.

[hellheaven1987]

I also want Byzantine Empire back...

[nemgod]

I also want Byzantine Empire back...

But wouldn't that just give us back THE ROMAN EMPIRE, Considering Byzantine is a made up name for the eastern half that western Europe gave it 100 years after its death so that HRE would gain legitimacy as the successor state of a state that still existed.

[hellheaven1987]

But wouldn't that just give us back THE ROMAN EMPIRE, Considering Byzantine is a made up name for the eastern half that western Europe gave it 100 years after its death so that HRE would gain legitimacy as the successor state of a state that still existed.

Why? I thought Europeans all want Roman Empire back or so on.

[Exarch]

Why? I thought Europeans all want Roman Empire back or so on.

oh they do, they just dont wanna admit it and they dont wanna worry about niggly bits like where the capitol's gonna be or what language the EUers will speak
it's gotta be german of course, i'm actually quite disappointed in the Germans, u'd think they'd be a lot more vocal about being the sole hegemon on the european subcontientn

[Dr. Croccer]

I'd rather have France as our overlord. germany is a country led by a bunch of pussies. Atleast France would lead us to world domination.

Along with early pensions. Hooray.

[Exarch]

i'm actually being cereal

germany has been the driving engine for the EU's success; it's strong economy and deutschmark accounted for the early success of the Euro;also theyactually have the balls and means to take the EU somewhere; france is just like another someone who talks big and lives off others, in this case,
Germany.

germany should be the principal nation in the EU; all this kowtowing to france's supposed greatness is just a leftover of WW2 sentiments;

I also want Byzantine Empire back...

one thing at a time

of course we'd like the byszantine empire back, then orthodox christianity would finally have a capitol worth its weight in gold-byzantium

I'd rather have France as our overlord. germany is a country led by a bunch of pussies. Atleast France would lead us to world domination.

better to be lead by a bunch of "pussies" with the means and wherewithal to become great, than to be led by actual pussies who talk big (french) without the cojones to back up theirwords.
the french even have the foreign legion to do their fighting for them, which says something about the quality of the average french infantrymen.
with germany you're already halfway there to "world domination" given german technology, brandnames, weapons, german work ethic and arts and culture, not saying the french dont have arts and culture; i simply find the germans to be more...superior.

if half of europehad the same work ethic and mentality as the Germans, we'd probably be seeing a 3rd superpower even without them trying

[Their Law]

No. As I'd imagine the Swiss, Dutch, Belgians, Austrians, Czechs, Poles, French and Italians would not take kindly to be forcibly annexed into this new state.

[Exarch]

No. As I'd imagine the Swiss, Dutch, Belgians, Austrians, Czechs, Poles, French and Italians would not take kindly to be forcibly annexed into this new state.

fair enough; so keep the EU but german language and culture ought to be quintessentially "EU"

Germany's given the most $$$ to the "EU Project" so by rights, it should have more say;
also, alsace and lorraine must be returned to Germany

[Their Law]

fair enough; so keep the EU but german language and culture ought to be quintessentially "EU"

Germany's given the most $$$ to the "EU Project" so by rights, it should have more say;
also, alsace and lorraine must be returned to Germany

Indeed, Germany should liberate Slesvig from the Danes, Retake Prussia from Poland and Russia and whilst it's at the same time attempt a Second Anschluss with Austria. It'll be the three hurrahs all over again.

[Exarch]

Indeed, Germany should liberate Slesvig from the Danes, Retake Prussia from Poland and Russia and whilst it's at the same time attempt a Second Anschluss with Austria.

i'd be fine with that; those lands were historically german and a union with Austria would merely confirm reality.

fact is, the EU owes its very existence to deutschland; without it, the EU would be nothing, a fart in the cosmos; with Germany, the EU at least gets a chance at being more than a fart in a church

u cant deny the numbers, germany has given somuch to the EUproject but ppl keep on taking with a sense of "WW2 era" entitlement -poland i'm looking at you.

[Their Law]

i'd be fine with that; those lands were historically german and a union with Austria would merely confirm reality.

fact is, the EU owes its very existence to deutschland; without it, the EU would be nothing, a fart in the cosmos; with Germany, the EU at least gets a chance at being more than a fart in a church

u cant deny the numbers, germany has given somuch to the EUproject but ppl keep on taking with a sense of "WW2 era" entitlement -poland i'm looking at you.

The Major net contributers to the EU are:

Germany
France
Italy
UK

So we'll go along with this crazy plan on the following conditions.

1) HRE mkII does not own any land of the above states.
2) Each of the above states is gifted with territory of their own.
3) Reality is suspended and we time warp back to the medieval period.

Achieve these three things and we'll talk.

[Basil II the B.S]

I'd support it. But German rulers dealing with Southern Italian mob? You really have no idea what you are getting into.

[Armenum]

Reform should be done to make EU countries less dependent on each other, especially in the economic sphere (e.g. currency).

[hellheaven1987]

Reform should be done to make EU countries less dependent on each other, especially in the economic sphere (e.g. currency).

Or simply disband EU at all.