Weapons Upgrades Removed?

[RabidSheepLegion]

Has the weapons upgrade been removed? (Sword Icon on units) If so, is there a way I could add it back in? I loved being able to use that to good use against rebels Plus, it made weapons usually look better imho... usually more shiny lol

[me_hungarian]

i Don't know. However i remember that Kingdoms required a swordsmith guild or something like that to upgrade it. Maybe SS doesn't have such guilds...

[Caesar Clivus]

They were removed because the upgraded attack values they give greatly outbalance the whole RealCombat stats that SS uses. The swordsmith guild now gives an experience bonus instead.

[newt]

They were removed because the upgraded attack values they give greatly outbalance the whole RealCombat stats that SS uses. The swordsmith guild now gives an experience bonus instead.

Experience gives +1 to attack, so does the weapon upgrade. Where's the imbalance?

[Ishan]

Experience gives +1 to attack, so does the weapon upgrade. Where's the imbalance?

I have read somewhere but can't remember that the attack bonus by weapon upgrade considerably increases it and +1 is just a misleading number.

[Caesar Clivus]

Experience gives +1 to attack, so does the weapon upgrade. Where's the imbalance?

Only every 3 chevrons gives an attack bonus.

I have read somewhere but can't remember that the attack bonus by weapon upgrade considerably increases it and +1 is just a misleading number.

I've read the same about armour upgrades too.

[newt]

Only every 3 chevrons gives an attack bonus.

Yes, but the first one gives it also.

[Ishan]

I've read the same about armour upgrades too.

Yes there was a complete article over it and it was proven that one armor was like 2.5 and it had a pretty convincing proof but i don't remember where it is buried now.

Yes, but the first one gives it also.

Yes out of total nine attack increase by +1 at 1,4,7th chevron. Too bad defence was removed in kingdoms.exe.

[withfriend2]

yeah i miss it too. along with long general speachs hehe

[newt]

I did tests with 2 units of spear militia, each with one of the upgrades. Weapon upgrade unit won all battles, even when switching sides to make sure it's not the medium battle difficulty affecting anything.

I am convinced.

[Mornai]

Always wondering why i haven't seen them around anymore, haha. Is there anyway to put them back in?

[Ishan]

Always wondering why i haven't seen them around anymore, haha. Is there anyway to put them back in?

Yes through the EDB and put the weapon upgrade line in the Swordsmith guild.

[Caesar Clivus]

Always wondering why i haven't seen them around anymore, haha. Is there anyway to put them back in?

Again though, it will unbalance the combat stats. Just an FYI

[Ishan]

Again though, it will unbalance the combat stats. Just an FYI

Yep it will make the unit go all .

[Paladin94610]

I think you can make it returned in EDB by deleting semi-colon in front of the weapon upgrade entries in swordsmith_guild. I'm not so sure though as I don't remember if the whole lines are deleted or just added semi-colons at the start of the entries (to let the program think these lines will not be considered). Deleting semi-colons will make the program to consider about the entry again and so the weapon-upgrade will return.

[newt]

Make sure you put a semi-colon in front of the morale part. That's added by SS. Of course you don't have to, it's your game. But if the ai gets a hold of one before you, look out!

[Stephan de St. Omer]

Hiya folks,

I turned it back a while ago and do not notice any imbalance though I understand the numerical proof.

Anyone wanting to give it a try, look here how to:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=192454

Have fun and enjoy!

P-Ape Stephan de St. Omer